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Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
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Posted on 01/01/2007 8:04:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.

For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (news, bio, voting record) (R-N.C.). "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups. Visit http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the Totalization Agreement documents.

SOURCE TREA Senior Citizens League


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To: WatchingInAmazement

I am waiting for the Free Trade and Global Economists here at FR applaud this stinker.


21 posted on 01/01/2007 8:19:30 AM PST by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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All us gringos had better learn that language!!!


22 posted on 01/01/2007 8:20:10 AM PST by chainsaw (We are going to take things away from you. - H. Clinton)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League."

I wonder if the above statement really upsets many writers on FreeRepublic. For years they have been anti SS benefits.

Oh well, who cares? Old guys such as I who have depended on S.S. for years will have to figure out another way to "milk the government." Right?
23 posted on 01/01/2007 8:20:35 AM PST by GOPologist (When one lowers himself to argue with a fool, then you don't know which one is the fool.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Awaiting President Bush's signature!!!!
OK since 2004 I see gee somebody is sellin a bridge too..
Pathetic those who want to believe the worst of our president!


24 posted on 01/01/2007 8:20:47 AM PST by Tigen (Live in peace or rest in peace!)
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To: Clara Lou

Americans are retiring to countries where it is cheaper to live. Current law requires they visit the US every year to retain Medicare eligibiity. Social Security cuts their bnefits in half when it learns they are living in Mexico. Likewise, Cqanada requires snowbirds spend 6 months a year in Canada to keep their health insurance. So, do you want Mexicans staying here to collect Social Security they have earned, or wouold you rather they went home when they want to?


25 posted on 01/01/2007 8:20:50 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: Clara Lou
Would Bush actually sign this???

His State Dept. made the agreement and his SS administrator signed on, so what do you think?

26 posted on 01/01/2007 8:20:52 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
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To: Old Professer
What's important here is not so much the nuts and bolts of this agreement, but the secrecy with which is has been kept from public review.

Good point. I have always wondered why those that support amnesty for example will not say it is amnesty, and why Republican leadership has adopted democratic style strategies of lying about their intentions. Why do they misname things in order to manipulate and deceive their own base ie. "pathway to citizenship", "jobs Americans will not do" etc.

Why do they malign those that would point out the truth, about what these changes really mean.

Why aren't people offended by the secrecy, the deception the warping of language?

Why are they highjacking our Democracy?

Regards.

27 posted on 01/01/2007 8:21:00 AM PST by ARE SOLE (I thought the Party was supposed to court the voters and not the other way around?)
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To: pleikumud
What? No lock box? I'm shocked!

Let the crooks in your pocket, be surprised at the outcome.

28 posted on 01/01/2007 8:21:43 AM PST by GregoryFul (There's no truth in the New York Times)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

This overall program has been in place since the Carter Administration. However, this is the first totalization agreement between the United States and a nation responsible for nearly 70 percent of the illegal immigration into the United States.


http://www.azconservative.org/Barton.htm


29 posted on 01/01/2007 8:21:58 AM PST by BARLF
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To: Clara Lou
I also wondered if he might wait until the last minute. However, either House could still take action, according to the article.

True, but there may well be a timetable there too. The President signs on January 20th, 2009. And then Congress votes in favor in a midnight vote before Christmas 2009.

30 posted on 01/01/2007 8:22:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: Clara Lou
I also wondered if he might wait until the last minute. However, either House could still take action, according to the article.

I bet they won't unless the American people mobilize a couple a million votes against it!
31 posted on 01/01/2007 8:23:20 AM PST by chainsaw (We are going to take things away from you. - H. Clinton)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Pull the plug. The ssytem is terminal.


32 posted on 01/01/2007 8:23:26 AM PST by weegee
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To: WatchingInAmazement

This obviously another piece of brilliant strategery by Rove/Bush. We, the ignorant freepers, are unable to discern the benefits of this agreement.

Sarcasm, while maybe not obvious to all freepers, is most definitely intended.


33 posted on 01/01/2007 8:23:26 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: pleikumud

So basically, Congress is going to raise taxes on everyone here so that Mexican citizens can enjoy the good life south of the border? That is just plain WRONG.


34 posted on 01/01/2007 8:23:59 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: misterrob
Seems like they have it figured out better than we have.

I think we are the only country that hasn't figured it out yet. With the socialists/democrats it's only going to get worse.

35 posted on 01/01/2007 8:25:22 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
The sooner the Ponzi scheme called Social Security dies the better.

Oops, but I forgot, you Watchin are not for any reform of your beloved Ponzi scheme.

36 posted on 01/01/2007 8:25:55 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
And how do they prove that they qualify?

Since they are illegal, they probably didn't provide valid SS numbers.

So do they just sign a statement of validation? They already broke the law by being here illegally. Do we really think they would be truthful in signing such a validation?

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This is an attempt for the US taxpayers to take care of Mexico's poor, because Mexico's wealthy won't. How many other countries are we going to adopt?

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Bush's open borders continues to do significant damage to the sovereignty of the United States. If he signs this fiasco, he will go down in the short remaining history of the US as the President instrumental in the demise of this nation.

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Shortly after Clinton (and Albright) left office, both made speeches about the US needing to be more considerate of 3rd world nations, as the US would become a 3rd world nation before long.

When I first heard of those speeches, I considered their words traitorous. After 6 years of open borders, I wonder when this fix was in. Both Clinton 1 and Bush 2 did nothing to stop the invasion of illegals -- some 11 to 25 million of them. No nation can survive that kind of unabated onslaught.
38 posted on 01/01/2007 8:26:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: WatchingInAmazement

This is a great program!

Now the illegals can not only take away jobs from Americans, they can take away their Social Security money too!

There is even better news - with fat SS checks coming in, the Mexican illegals can go back home and live like kings in their own country when they turn 62. Maybe we can pass a law to start paying them immediately, so they will go home right away. We can include an earmark for 7-11 to make up for the lost business from it's illegal loiterers.

This is the long term fix to the illegal alien problem. Karl Rove IS a genius!


39 posted on 01/01/2007 8:31:24 AM PST by oldbill
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To: Tigen; WatchingInAmazement; ladyjane
Pathetic those who want to believe the worst of our president!

He sure makes it easy to do so!

40 posted on 01/01/2007 8:32:29 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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