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Social Security Agreement With Mexico Released After 3 1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
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Posted on 01/01/2007 8:04:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement

WASHINGTON, Dec. 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government was forced to make the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million-member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.

The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.

The agreement between the U.S. and Mexico was signed in June 2004, and is awaiting President Bush's signature. Once President Bush approves the agreement, which would be done without Congressional vote, either House of Congress would have 60 days to disapprove the agreement by voting to reject it.

"The Social Security Administration itself warns that Social Security is within decades of bankruptcy -- yet, they seem to have no problem making agreements that hasten its demise," said Ralph McCutchen, Chairman of the TREA Senior Citizens League.

The U.S. currently has 21 similar agreements in effect with other nations, which are intended to eliminate dual taxation for persons who work outside their country of origin. All of the agreements are with developed nations with economies similar to that of the U.S.

For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.

But Mexico's retirement system is radically different than that of other participating countries. For example, only 40 percent of non-government workers participate in Mexico's system, whereas 96 percent of America's non- government workers do. In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

"I applaud the persistent efforts of TREA Senior Citizens League to try to get documents from the U.S. Government about the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement," said Rep. Walter Jones (news, bio, voting record) (R-N.C.). "The American people are finally beginning to get some of the information regarding this Agreement that they have been seeking for so long."

According to the SSA, the Social Security Trust Fund will begin paying out more than it is taking in by 2017, and will be exhausted by the year 2040.

With 1.2 million members, TREA Senior Citizens League is one of the nation's largest nonpartisan seniors groups. Visit http://www.SeniorsLeague.org for more information or to see the Totalization Agreement documents.

SOURCE TREA Senior Citizens League


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"For example, a worker who turns 62 after 1990 generally needs 40 calendar quarters of coverage to receive retirement benefits. Under totalization agreements, workers are allowed to combine earnings from both countries in order to qualify for benefits. The Agreement with Mexico, like other totalization agreements, would allow workers to qualify with just six quarters, or 18 months, of U.S. coverage.
1 posted on 01/01/2007 8:04:53 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement
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To: WatchingInAmazement
Thank you George Bush!
2 posted on 01/01/2007 8:07:02 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: WatchingInAmazement

What's important here is not so much the nuts and bolts of this agreement, but the secrecy with which is has been kept from public review.


3 posted on 01/01/2007 8:07:29 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Obviously this country must have a death wish. I'm speechless.


4 posted on 01/01/2007 8:08:41 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

I had really hoped these rumors were untrue. This is just beyond the pale. I need to quit typing now before I type something that will get me banned for life.


5 posted on 01/01/2007 8:11:29 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: WatchingInAmazement
As we are "self governed", obviously we a damn idiots!
6 posted on 01/01/2007 8:11:57 AM PST by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Both the agreement itself and the attempt to maintain secrecy are shocking and a betrayal of the citizens of the US.


7 posted on 01/01/2007 8:12:52 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: WatchingInAmazement
In addition, the U.S. system is progressive, meaning lower wage earners get back much more than they put in; in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest.

Once again, Mexican policies are what our policies SHOULD be.

They vigorously go after illegal immigrants and defend their borders. We do not. They operate their pension system like a 401k. We operate ours as a welfare program.

9 posted on 01/01/2007 8:14:44 AM PST by montag813
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in Mexico, workers get back only what they put in, plus accrued interest...

Seems like they have it figured out better than we have.

10 posted on 01/01/2007 8:14:48 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: gubamyster

ping


11 posted on 01/01/2007 8:14:50 AM PST by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: Old Professer
Why is this getting absolutely NO national press coverage???

Amazing how 'selective' the MSM can be when it comes to what it wants to cover as the 'news', now isn't it?

Bernard Goldberg was 100% correct about their 'Bias'!

12 posted on 01/01/2007 8:15:03 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
I don't think our system of government can ever recover from its corruption. Our system will have to be changed radically and by the people directly. Ours is now a system not accountable to anyone. It operates under its own self-directed tyranny.

Before the American people force a representative government upon Iraq, we might want to consider restoring it in the United States, first.

13 posted on 01/01/2007 8:15:22 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: WatchingInAmazement

"The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund."

There is no SS "Trust Fund". In Ponzi scheme fashion, current retirees get their payments from those currently working and paying taxes. What is worse, some of the social security tax money is used for general purposes not even related to "Socialist Security".

If anyone thinks there is a "trust fund" I suggest contacting the SSA and ask for the current balance of 'your' retirement account. Hear the bureaucrats laughing?


14 posted on 01/01/2007 8:16:01 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: ladyjane
Thank you George Bush!

He hasn't signed anything...yet. But it is curious that it passed in 2004 yet is still awaiting his signature. One wonders if this will be part of the usual last minute slew of executive actions before a President leaves office. I hope not.

15 posted on 01/01/2007 8:16:24 AM PST by montag813
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To: WatchingInAmazement

It never ends. Time for our Caesar?


16 posted on 01/01/2007 8:16:56 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement; All

Would Bush actually sign this???


17 posted on 01/01/2007 8:17:14 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Every day I get a new disappointment.

Where are conservatives to go? Certainly not to the Republican Party.


18 posted on 01/01/2007 8:17:46 AM PST by Guy in Bumblebee Suit
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To: Clara Lou; MizSterious; truthkeeper; gubamyster; Antoninus; All

Please thank these congressmen for at least trying to stall this agreement.


109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. CON. RES. 50

Expressing disapproval by the Congress of the totalization agreement between the United States and Mexico signed by the Commissioner of Social Security and the Director General of the Mexican Social Security Institute on June 29, 2004.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

February 9, 2005

Mr. GOODE (for himself, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. PAUL, Mr. SESSIONS, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. NORWOOD, Mr. ROHRABACHER, Mr. ROYCE, Mr. TANCREDO, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. MANZULLO, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mr. OTTER, Mr. DUNCAN, Mr. ISSA, Mr. SULLIVAN, Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. CULBERSON, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina, Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mr. WELDON of Florida, Mr. GARY G. MILLER of California, and Mrs. MYRICK) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:1:./temp/~c109zXFaoL::
(link may be temporary.


19 posted on 01/01/2007 8:18:12 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement (President DUNCAN HUNTER 2008! http://www.house.gov/hunter/border1.html)
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To: montag813

I also wondered if he might wait until the last minute. However, either House could still take action, according to the article.


20 posted on 01/01/2007 8:18:32 AM PST by Clara Lou
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