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Ga. School District Abandons Stickers
Fox News ^ | Tuesday, December 19, 2006 | DOUG GROSS

Posted on 12/19/2006 2:19:29 PM PST by Sopater

ATLANTA — A suburban school board that put stickers in high school science books saying evolution is "a theory, not a fact" abandoned its legal battle to keep them Tuesday after four years.

The Cobb County board agreed in federal court never to use a similar sticker or to undermine the teaching of evolution in science classes.

In return, the parents who sued over the stickers agreed to drop all legal action.

"We certainly think that it's a win not just for our clients but for all students in Cobb County and, really, all residents of Georgia," said Beth Littrell of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia.

The school board placed the stickers inside the front cover of biology books in 2002 after a group of parents complained that evolution was being taught to the exclusion of other theories, including a literal reading of the biblical story of creation.

The stickers read: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

A federal judge ordered the stickers removed in 2005, saying they amount to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. The school board appealed, but a federal appeals court sent the case back, saying it did not have enough information.

"We faced the distraction and expense of starting all over with more legal actions and another trial," said board chairwoman Teresa Plenge. "With this agreement, it is done and we now have a clean slate for the new year."

School board attorney Linwood Gunn said the agreement is not an admission that the stickers were unconstitutional. "The school board attempted to reach what they thought was a reasonable compromise," he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atheistinaction; commonsenseprevails; creation; creationmyth; evolution; evolutionisbelief; evolutionisnotfact; evolutionistheory; impolitetruth; indoctrination; itisatheory; itisnotafact; science; theorynotfact; thoughtcrime
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To: jwalsh07
The ACLU are a bunch of blood sucking pimps

Absolutely. This case didn't end because one party prevailed over the other, it ended because one party was able to financially hold out longer than the other.
21 posted on 12/19/2006 2:46:07 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: durasell
fer instance, the one proposed in Scientology that space aliens populated the world.

Oh, like Panspermia?
22 posted on 12/19/2006 2:48:05 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Burkean

I wonder what would happen to the hapless student who chose as a class project to do a term paper on the weaknesses and gaps in the theory of evolution? Would the ACLU come in and demand that his paper be given a failing grade because it contradicts the dominant paradigm? Maybe they'd demand that the student be sent to a "re-education camp" to purge him of his dangerous anti-social way of thinking.


23 posted on 12/19/2006 2:48:26 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: My2Cents

It is not the business of the ACLU nor the federal government. The disclaimer may or may not be boneheaded but federal courts putting their collective noses in where they don't belong is boneheaded.


24 posted on 12/19/2006 2:48:42 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: My2Cents

evolution is "a theory, not a fact"

Well it is a theory, and that is the truth of it.


25 posted on 12/19/2006 2:50:42 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: jwalsh07
federal courts putting their collective noses in where they don't belong is boneheaded.

Bingo! I'm surprised that more people on this forum don't see that as the real danger here.

26 posted on 12/19/2006 2:51:00 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: weegee

Meanwhile theory taught as fact is now safe in classrooms as long as it is the dominant theory....






Why is it the "dominant" theory?


27 posted on 12/19/2006 2:51:54 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: stockpirate

If by "theory" one means "the best speculation that science can come up with," then it's a "theory."


28 posted on 12/19/2006 2:51:54 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: MindBender26
Be careful, the FRaliban will be out tonight!

The Taliban dictated from a central authority what may or may not be taught in local schools in Afghanistan. You might want to rethink your choice of words.

29 posted on 12/19/2006 2:52:05 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Sopater

We know how this evolves.


30 posted on 12/19/2006 2:53:20 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
We know how this evolves.

Aye.
31 posted on 12/19/2006 2:55:58 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Dog Gone
The stickers read: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."

Dangerous, dangerous stuff, I realize, but what is exactly wrong with this statement.

Scientifically, I am aware that there is more than ample evidence to prove evolution is a fact in the developments within a species, but I've seen no solid evidence to indicate it is anything more than a theory insofar as the occurrence of developments between species.

Would selective breedings of a gorilla, for example, produce a more intelligent and easier to feed animal like an orangutan?

Many years of selective breeding by man by design have suceeded in turning some wild animals into domesticated versions, but they have not suceeded in changing a species. Therefore, the portion of the theory of evolution that postulates nature will eventually make changes between species through time and chance remains a theory and not a fact.

32 posted on 12/19/2006 2:56:04 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Sopater

Lots of them end that way and lots more never get to the courts because locals can not afford to fight the ACLU. So they bend over and take it from the secularists. The ACLU either needs to be defunded or a conservative equivalent needs funding. That a Republican administration controlling Congress and the Executive didn't get that done is a shame.


33 posted on 12/19/2006 2:58:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Sopater

This is awesome good news!!! Thank you for posting it!!!


34 posted on 12/19/2006 3:02:40 PM PST by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: jwalsh07

My stance might surprise you, but I think the ACLU was both right and wrong.

On a substantive level, dissing evolution as a theory is the same as dissing gravity as a theory. The word means something different in scientific parlance than it does in conservation among the general public.

I think evolution is reality, but that's not really relevant at the moment.

I think if the Cobb County school district wants to teach only Creation Science or its clone, Intelligent Design, they should be able to. I see no federal role in state education.

Unfortunately, the state of the law is such that there is a federal role in state education, and the state of the law is that religion is a verboten topic in public schoolrooms.

That's not something new. Given those legal realities, this case was very easy to predict.


35 posted on 12/19/2006 3:05:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: shuckmaster; blowfish

How is it good news when the prevailing party only wins due to financial power rather than fact? Wouldn't you rather win in a fair fight or would you rather win just because you have bigger guns?


36 posted on 12/19/2006 3:05:49 PM PST by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater
How is it good news when the prevailing party only wins due to financial power rather than fact?

Well, the school district had the taxpayer to tap as financial power.

How exactly do you get deeper pockets than that?

37 posted on 12/19/2006 3:11:35 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Religion is verboten in the public square because of the ACLU and their supporters. The appellate court sent the case back to the trial court because he did a crappy job. The ACLU then sucked Cobb County dry and once again the extortionists win without having to go the appellate courts. They are pimps which is the reason I addressed your post.

This is not a clear cut case of a public school teaching Religion or ID. I'd be happy to discuss that but that wasn't my original point.

My original and current point is that the ACLU uses extortion and blood sucking to advance an exclusively secular agenda nowhere to be found in the US Constitution.

38 posted on 12/19/2006 3:12:16 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: My2Cents
OMG! The horror! The carnage! It would be the end of civilization if kids were exposed to the biblical story of creation!

Kind of makes you wonder how the human race survived and science progressed before the Scopes Trials, doesn't it? /roll eyes

39 posted on 12/19/2006 3:14:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: My2Cents

It is referred to as "The Theory of Evolution", for a reason, because it is nothing more than that, a theory.

And it actually can never be proven, ever.

Actually it goes against the principal of decay. Everyhing starts to decay, breakdown, fall apart.

But for some reason, life seems to advance, grow, change for the better.

But it should be decaying, falling apart, not changing into something more complex, but the change should be to the less complex.

Read The Road Less Traveled,


40 posted on 12/19/2006 3:19:07 PM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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