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Confusion hampered search for Kims
The Sunday Oregonian ^ | 12/17/2006 | PETER SLEETH, STEVE SUO, MICHELLE ROBERTS AND ELIZABETH SUH

Posted on 12/17/2006 6:23:57 AM PST by surfer

Searchers failed to exploit vital clues in the hunt for the family of James Kim, including several crucial pieces of evidence that surfaced in the final hours of his life, when he was freezing, alone and lost in the woods.

An examination by The Oregonian found a search plagued by confusion, gaps in communication, and failures of leadership in Josephine County, where the Kim family was found.

Lt. Brian Powers, the Oregon State Police commander in the region, said the lack of a central command prompted him to take control Sunday, Dec. 3, the day before Kati Kim and her two daughters were found alive. At the time, the search was sprawling over four counties, each with legal authority to conduct its own operations.

"I knew we had information gaps that weren't being filled, and I just felt like the Oregon State Police could provide something to that effort to make sure that family gets found," Powers said. "If that effort meant knocking down some jurisdictional lines . . . I guess that is what it was."

In the end, the family was found by a volunteer pilot, one of several key breakthroughs achieved by people not connected to the official search. The confirmation that the family was south of Roseburg came from a citizen tipster; and the cell phone evidence narrowing the search was provided by amateur detectives at an Oregon wireless carrier.

Many of the key missteps came in Josephine County. The search-and-rescue coordinator now acknowledges she was overwhelmed by the demands of the search. She failed to call for help from the National Guard, which meant that heat-detecting helicopters stayed on the ground in the crucial two nights James Kim slept in the forest. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; US: California; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: armchairqb; idturnbackifiwereyou; jameskim; missing; nopriorexperience; oregon; rubrecht; sararubrecht; searchandrescue
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To: TruthWillWin

The election was very dirty and the undersheriff was a lot to blame for it being that way... the same is true for the county commissioner's race the incumbent sheriff pulled out of, leaving only one leftist candidate on the ballot...

I am very suspicious of the whole dynamic involved and the local nepotism of it.


41 posted on 12/17/2006 7:58:27 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: woodbutcher
Just two weeks later a car goes off the road on a major highway. Someone actually calls in the accident, nearly, but not quite, pinpointing the location of the auto.

A quick looksee, nope don't see a thing! And two people are dead. A family had to hire a private helicopter to find the car which was in plain view.

It's not just Oregon. It seems that those responsible for searching are totally unqualified.

Bureaucracies are populated with cronies, incompetent, and diversity hires that have NOTHING to do with competence.

42 posted on 12/17/2006 7:59:26 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: surfer

In a near complete white-out situation.

That is one of the most confusing scenarios you will ever find yourself in.



And that is why you recognize that Kim made mistakes, but you do not condem him with the same tone of distain others use here.

I can tell from their posts they have never been really lost.

Those critics are also overlooking that they were using a map which had very misleading information.


43 posted on 12/17/2006 8:01:03 AM PST by woodbutcher
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To: OldFriend

ust two weeks later a car goes off the road on a major highway. Someone actually calls in the accident, nearly, but not quite, pinpointing the location of the auto.



How well I know.

My state.

You just described our politics.


44 posted on 12/17/2006 8:05:41 AM PST by woodbutcher
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To: woodbutcher

Well he is dead...doesn't seem to do much good to condem a man that is already dead...

His kids will miss him on th 25th as well as every other day...meanwhile the others that made mistakes will be enjoying a nice holiday with their live family members...yeah they will feel guilty for a while but they will get over it and continue on with their lives.


45 posted on 12/17/2006 8:09:13 AM PST by surfer
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To: radar101
The galleries are full of critics. They play no ball, they fight no fights. They make no mistakes because they attempt nothing. Down in the arena are the doers. They make mistakes because they try many things. The person who makes no mistakes lacks boldness and the spirit of adventure. He is the one who never tries anything. His is the brake on the wheel of progress. And yet it cannot be truly said he makes no mistakes, because his biggest mistake is the very fact that he tries nothing, does nothing, except criticize those who do things.

Perfect. This quote is needed on another thread where several chair-bound, latte sipping critics are discussing the lost Mt. Hood climbers.

46 posted on 12/17/2006 8:10:03 AM PST by Washi (Support the country you live in, or go live in the country you support.)
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To: woodbutcher
Those critics are also overlooking that they were using a map which had very misleading information

And as was discussed on another thread most online mapping searches send you on the wrong route when asking for directions, Grants Pass to Gold Beach. I did a direction search on MSN Maps, Mapquest, Yahoo Maps, and Google Earch; and with the exception of Yahoo they all gave directions over the unpassable route the Kim's attempted.

Wonder if the tech savy Mr Kim used an internet mapping service?

47 posted on 12/17/2006 8:10:12 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Drango

Agree completely. Notice how Monday Morning QB's never have any incompletions or fumbles??

The number one mistake was by Mr Kim choosing the worst road in Oregon to take a shortcut.

Pray for W and Our Troops


48 posted on 12/17/2006 8:11:28 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: tkathy
Well, "stupidity" is way too harsh a judgment for Kim's actions. Having lived in the mountains for many years while growing up, I can tell you that these types of mistakes are very easy to make, especially when it is dark, the weather is miserable, and visibility nil. Simply turning around on some of these narrow wilderness roads is not an option sometimes, especially if you are not used to driving on them.

My guess is that after accidentally getting onto the logging road, Mr. Kim quietly panicked, and really did not know what to do, other than simply plowing forward and trying to follow his map, which by this point was no longer valid to his situation, unbeknownst to him. It could happen to anyone, particularly those who are unfamiliar with local roads such as this logging road.

Maps like he was probably following are notoriously misleading too when it comes to secondary roads, as I've personally discovered during my own wilderness trips. So I can completely sympathize with the Kims' plight.

With that said, it looks to me that there was plenty of incompetence up and down the local authorities command chain, beginning with "car sick" Rubrecht and her indifferent football fan boss, who together bear a large portion of the blame for their poor rescue efforts.

49 posted on 12/17/2006 8:14:39 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

You are right. I apologize. My concern was blaming and second guessing the authorities in a hysterical way.


50 posted on 12/17/2006 8:16:36 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: TruthWillWin
Wonder if the tech savy Mr Kim used an internet mapping service?

Good point. Those things will often give you routes that look good on paper , but fall far short in practical application.

51 posted on 12/17/2006 8:18:08 AM PST by csvset (Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil & inhumane)
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To: surfer
"I had no clue John Rachor was in the air until after Kati was found," she said. "No clue." In fact, she said, "I really never felt like I had a handle on the air operation." "I'm not afraid to tell anybody that it was overwhelming -- beyond anything I'd ever handled before," she said.

That pretty much says it all...it's a shame a man paid with his life for Rubrecht's total incompetence.

52 posted on 12/17/2006 8:18:17 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: surfer
The ultimate question is do you want the people in charge of those rescuing the Kim's in charge of rescuing your family? Even more, our rescue teams are a precious resource. Shouldn't they deserve the best in leadership from the top?

It may have been the Kim's fault for getting lost in the first place, but they did just about everything else right once they realized their circumstances. It appears that those that survived are very lucky that average citizens took an interest in their plight.

53 posted on 12/17/2006 8:18:58 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

And I forgto to add that BLM's failure to secure the chain/gate across the logging road was simply criminal...


54 posted on 12/17/2006 8:21:15 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: csvset

That's exactly right! I once used some Mapquest directions to find a government office in Baltimore, and they ultimately took me to a street and bridge that no longer existed.


55 posted on 12/17/2006 8:23:52 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: TruthWillWin

Why would he go from Grants Pass to Gold Beach if he was coming from Portland? Run Portland to Gold Beach and that road doesn't come into play.

The way I heard it he missed the Roseburg cutoff and then found that road on a map and mistakenly thought it was passable. Should have stopped at a gas station and asked, they would have warned him about that nightmare road.

Pray for W and Our Troops


56 posted on 12/17/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

The roads were closed, they had steel gates across them. It was reported that unknown persons had cut the chains and locks and had opened the gates. However, no one checked to see that the gates remained closed.


57 posted on 12/17/2006 8:25:21 AM PST by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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To: OldFriend
Bureaucracies are populated with cronies, incompetent, and diversity hires that have NOTHING to do with competence.

Exactly. From the story:

Rubrecht, a 32-year-old former police dispatcher, was named Josephine County's search coordinator in 2001 with no prior experience in the field.

58 posted on 12/17/2006 8:25:28 AM PST by Libertarian444
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To: OldFriend
Bureaucracies are populated with cronies, incompetent, and diversity hires that have NOTHING to do with competence.

That sounds like the Wayne County, Michigan (Detroit area) "emergency response" system. Tens of millions of dollars of federal post-911 gear is sitting in trailers hidden behind county buildings at Metro Airport. Not one radio, gas mask, or IR sensor has made it into the hands of first responders after five years.

However, it was learned that all of the $15K generator sets were installed at the homes of (RAT) county commisioners. But that was treated as "business as usual" because the commisioners said they deserverd the generator sets because they were so important that they should not have to worry about power being interrupted to their homes.

59 posted on 12/17/2006 8:27:36 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: Concho
From the story:

The gate was open, BLM officials would later acknowledge, because the bureau had failed to follow normal procedure and close it for the winter.

I too had initially heard that someone had cut the chain and left the gate open, but apparently BLM finally fessed up here to not doing its job. Typical government apathy...

60 posted on 12/17/2006 8:30:40 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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