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Confusion hampered search for Kims
The Sunday Oregonian ^ | 12/17/2006 | PETER SLEETH, STEVE SUO, MICHELLE ROBERTS AND ELIZABETH SUH

Posted on 12/17/2006 6:23:57 AM PST by surfer

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To: 300winmag
The Fire Commission of NYC remarked on TV a couple of years ago that he was going to be creative with the Homeland Security money and create some diversity programs.

Wasted billions of tax payer dollars and nothing has changed.

The bureaucrats are good at demanind more more more money with nothing to show for the money already spent.

61 posted on 12/17/2006 8:31:15 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: OldFriend

oops....demanding


62 posted on 12/17/2006 8:32:11 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: bray

Bray,

Map out the route to where they were going on any mapping service and see what it says...


63 posted on 12/17/2006 8:32:23 AM PST by surfer
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

words of wisdom...right on!


64 posted on 12/17/2006 8:33:14 AM PST by surfer
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To: bray
Why would he go from Grants Pass to Gold Beach if he was coming from Portland? Run Portland to Gold Beach and that road doesn't come into play.

He missed the Hwy 42 turn off to the coast just south of Roseburg. Hwy 42 would have been the preferable route from Roseburg.

After missing 42 he has two choices to get to the coast. One would be going back and taking hwy 42, the other would be taking 199 via Grants Pass.

When he finally did turn off I-5 he took the Merlin Exit only a few miles from the north exit (58) to Grants Pass.

65 posted on 12/17/2006 8:33:17 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: bray

When has a gas station ever told you of danger? Maybe back 30 years ago...not anymore...

Do you think any of the SAR related people should be called on their mistakes?


66 posted on 12/17/2006 8:35:30 AM PST by surfer
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To: Libertarian444

But she had five years to figure it out and having to attend mandatory training for those five years...and after five years on the job you still can't coordinate something...

Hello is the land of super-underachievers?


67 posted on 12/17/2006 8:36:54 AM PST by surfer
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To: OldFriend
Wasted billions of tax payer dollars and nothing has changed.

Well, they recently demanded more preparedness money simply because they are NYC, and deserve it. Even it they just squirrel it away, and slowly siphon it off, they treat it as their entitlement.

I'm sure the New Yawkers who aren't saved in the future will understand, and blame it on Bush.

68 posted on 12/17/2006 8:41:00 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: surfer
But she had five years to figure it out and having to attend mandatory training for those five years...and after five years on the job you still can't coordinate something...

And how much training is really necessary to make sure thermal seeking equipment doesn't sit on a tarmac for two nights waiting on instructions? Or to recognize that a coordinator's place isn't puking their way up a road; it's at a central staging point coordinating.

Is there really any doubt that you could pick a person at random, drop them into this situation, and have them perform better than Rubrecht?

69 posted on 12/17/2006 8:41:18 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: bray
Most gas stations these can tell you how to get to India but not the court house in town...
70 posted on 12/17/2006 8:46:48 AM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: NittanyLion

As a wise man once told me...

Nobody could do a better job than Sara R.!!!

He would have also said...

I can't think of enough good things to say about her!


71 posted on 12/17/2006 8:49:40 AM PST by surfer
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To: tubebender
Ha ha. The wife and I were lost out in the country, (btw, we had printed out directions , or, as I like to call them, destructions, from one of the mapping services), and so when we stumbled across a gas station, we stopped and asked for directions.

Out in the middle of nowhere, the guy running the gas station was Indian.

He was able to provide us with the correct route though.

72 posted on 12/17/2006 8:54:01 AM PST by csvset (Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil & inhumane)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

An earlier post on FR, and a Fox News report a few days ago said that the locks had been cut on the gate....


73 posted on 12/17/2006 8:54:52 AM PST by Concho (IRS--Americas real terrorist organization.)
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To: tubebender

Too funny! Actually down there the people know that road since people have died on it before. There is a station at the exit and they would have warned him as well as a number of truck stops.

He should have spent the night at the Indian Casino!

Pray for W and Our Troops


74 posted on 12/17/2006 8:56:08 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: Concho

It wasn't cut...

GRANTS PASS, Ore. (AP) — The gate that San Francisco online editor James Kim drove through before getting lost and dying of exposure deep in the Rogue River Canyon was never locked and was not broken open by vandals, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management said Wednesday.

The federal land agency with jurisdiction over the snowy road that Kim and his family drove down while trying to get to a luxury lodge at the mouth of the Rogue River had said last week that the road had been blocked by a locked metal gate since Nov. 1, but that someone broke the lock and left the gate open.

“The gate was not locked as we previously reported,” Jody Weil, director of public affairs for BLM’s Oregon office in Portland. “We can find no evidence it was ever locked nor was it vandalized.”

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A BLM worker went to close the gate on or after Nov 1st. The worker thought someone might still be up the road so didn't lock it and nobody went back to lock it later.

I have heard reports from locals that have said that gate has never been locked.

The smashed lock on the ground that was reported on CNN and others appears to have been created when the truck removing the Kim's car from the road hit the gate and damaged the lock that was there.


75 posted on 12/17/2006 9:01:03 AM PST by surfer
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To: bray

Bray please explain who you know that someone in the gas station would have warned him?

Where is your information to back that up?

From the Kim's perspective at the time they had no reason to stop at a gas station or truck stop.

Sorry to be on your back again but I just can't understand how the assumptions you make translate into facts about something...


76 posted on 12/17/2006 9:03:09 AM PST by surfer
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To: surfer

Go bust someone elses chops.

Pray for W and Our Troops


78 posted on 12/17/2006 9:13:10 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: bray

Bray you are so quick to deflect the issue away from LE, SAR, etc...I question your motives...I am not busting your chops. I am doing what happens on FR and as a result good information comes out of it.

Sorry you can't handled being questioned about your opinions.

You have tried to squarely place ALL of the blame on the Kim's...most of us are past that and want to improve the process for somebody in the future.

And remember James is dead he paid for his mistake.


79 posted on 12/17/2006 9:31:44 AM PST by surfer
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To: surfer

Wow, an amazing article about the sad and inexcusable mistakes made by the people in charge of SAR. I hope this leads to changes in how they do things!


80 posted on 12/17/2006 10:05:20 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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