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Baker wants Israel excluded from regional conference
Insight Magazine ^ | December 5, 2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 12:43:40 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

The White House has been examining a proposal by James Baker to launch a Middle East peace effort without Israel.

The peace effort would begin with a U.S.-organized conference, dubbed Madrid-2, and contain such U.S. adversaries as Iran and Syria. Officials said Madrid-2 would be promoted as a forum to discuss Iraq's future, but actually focus on Arab demands for Israel to withdraw from territories captured in the 1967 war. They said Israel would not be invited to the conference.

“As Baker sees this, the conference would provide a unique opportunity for the United States to strike a deal without Jewish pressure,” an official said. “This has become the most hottest proposal examined by the foreign policy people over the last month.”

Officials said Mr. Baker's proposal, reflected in the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, has been supported by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns and National Intelligence Director John Negroponte. The most controversial element in the proposal, they said, was Mr. Baker's recommendation for the United States to woo Iran and Syria.

“Here is Syria, which is clearly putting pressure on the Lebanese democracy, is a supporter of terror, is both provisioning and supporting Hezbollah and facilitating Iran in its efforts to support Hezbollah, is supporting the activities of Hamas," National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley told a briefing last week. "This is not a Syria that is on an agenda to bring peace and stability to the region."

Officials said the Baker proposal to exclude Israel from a Middle East peace conference garnered support in the wake of Vice President Dick Cheney's visit to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 25. They said Mr. Cheney spent most of his meetings listening to Saudi warnings that Israel, rather than Iran, is the leading cause of instability in the Middle East.

“He [Cheney] didn't even get the opportunity to seriously discuss the purpose of his visit—that the Saudis help the Iraqi government and persuade the Sunnis to stop their attacks,” another official familiar with Mr. Cheney’s visit said. “Instead, the Saudis kept saying that they wanted a U.S. initiative to stop the Israelis’ attack in Gaza and Cheney just agreed.”

Under the Baker proposal, the Bush administration would arrange a Middle East conference that would discuss the future of Iraq and other Middle East issues. Officials said the conference would seek to win Arab support on Iraq in exchange for a U.S. pledge to renew efforts to press Israel to withdraw from the West Bank and Golan Heights.

“Baker sees his plan as containing something for everybody, except perhaps the Israelis,” the official said. “The Syrians would get back the Golan, the Iranians would get U.S. recognition and the Saudis would regain their influence, particularly with the Palestinians.”

Officials said Mr. Baker's influence within the administration and the Republican Party’s leadership stems from support by the president's father as well as former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Throughout the current Bush administration, such senior officials as Mr. Hadley and Ms. Rice were said to have been consulting with Brent Scowcroft, the former president's national security advisor, regarded as close to Mr. Baker.

“Everybody has fallen in line,” the official said. “Bush is not in the daily loop. He is shocked by the elections and he's hoping for a miracle on Iraq.”

For his part, Mr. Bush has expressed unease in negotiating with Iran. At a Nov. 30 news conference in Amman, Jordan, the president cited Iran's interference in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki.

“We respect their heritage, we respect their history, we respect their traditions,” Mr. Bush said. “I just have a problem with a government that is isolating its people, denying its people benefits that could be had from engagement with the world.”

Mr. Baker's recommendation to woo Iran and Syria has also received support from some in the conservative wing of the GOP. Over the last week, former and current Republican leaders in Congress—convinced of the need for a U.S. withdrawal before the 2008 presidential elections—have called for Iranian and Syrian participation in an effort to stabilize Iraq.

“I would look at an entirely new strategy,” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said. “We have clearly failed in the last three years to achieve the kind of outcome we want.”

In contrast, Defense Department officials have warned against granting a role to Iran and Syria at Israel's expense. They said such a strategy would also end up undermining Arab allies of the United States such as Egypt, Jordan and Morocco.

“The regional strategy is a euphemism for throwing Free Iraq to the wolves in its neighborhood: Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia,” said the Center for Security Policy, regarded as being close to the Pentagon. “If the Baker regional strategy is adopted, we will prove to all the world that it is better to be America's enemy than its friend. Jim Baker's hostility towards the Jews is a matter of record and has endeared him to Israel's foes in the region.”

But Defense Secretary-designate Robert Gates, a former colleague of Mr. Baker on the Iraq Study Group, has expressed support for U.S. negotiations with Iran and Syria. In response to questions from the Senate Armed Services Committee, which begins confirmation hearings this week, Mr. Gates compared the two U.S. adversaries to the Soviet Union.

“Even in the worst days of the Cold War, the U.S. maintained a dialogue with the Soviet Union and China, and I believe those channels of communication helped us manage many potentially difficult situations,” Mr. Gates said. “Our engagement with Syria need not be unilateral. It could, for instance, take the form of Syrian participation in a regional conference.”


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To: processing please hold
What this so called Iraqi study group has done is probably stir the pot enough that Israel will see no way out except what has been successful for them in the past....ATTACK...they understand the stakes...America apparently does not. That being said... that may be ironically enough "The final solution" to this muslim nonsense. America will backed into a corner that will necessitate our involvement.....and yes Rangel will get his wish....a draft will be necessary and the some of the draftees may not have to leave this continent to see combat.
141 posted on 12/06/2006 2:08:22 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..POW input)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“We have clearly failed in the last three years to achieve the kind of outcome we want.”

Because the faggots in the Pentagon never committed the kind of force needed to crush our enemies. It just makes me sick how the Washington weasels in pinstripes are so unworthy of our brave fighting men and women.

142 posted on 12/06/2006 2:08:44 PM PST by montag813
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To: West Coast Conservative
So the strategy now floating around from Baker and all the way through Condi, Hadley, and even Cheney is to sell out the Israelis and throw them under the bus?

Nice...

143 posted on 12/06/2006 2:08:44 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: West Coast Conservative
“We respect their heritage, we respect their history, we respect their traditions,” Bush said

I spit on their heritage, history and Nazi "traditions". I piss on their unholy book. I pray to God we get a President with balls.

144 posted on 12/06/2006 2:10:17 PM PST by montag813
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To: oceanview
"we had a strategy - it didn't work. we gave iraq a democracy and thought they were going to be able to ramp up the institutions needed to sustain it in a 12-18 month time period, especially regarding security."

The "democracy" strategy did surface briefly. I don't believe it was the primary strategy or reasoning that W took us in there with. Whether such a thing could work in the future is still up in the air IMO. However, the strategy for achieving it, since it became the main cause, so to speak, has been lacking.

145 posted on 12/06/2006 2:11:40 PM PST by Sam Cree (don't mix alcopops and ufo's - absolute reality)
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To: ichabod1
Thank you. Isn't baker a friend of the family? Or at least baker and the Bush's share a mutual friend? Saudis?
146 posted on 12/06/2006 2:11:56 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: West Coast Conservative

does this suggest 'end time' prophecy when everyone will 'go against' Israel?


147 posted on 12/06/2006 2:15:44 PM PST by Swordfished
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To: goldstategop
This would be a national disaster,

We would never be trusted again. Hell, even I wouldn't trust us. They would see it as, 'if the US gave up Israel, what chance would we have'?

If we do this, we are truly lost as a country.

148 posted on 12/06/2006 2:17:05 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

I agree with you. Probably the best thing that can happen now is for Israel to decide that the US has abandoned her and she must act on her own to ensure her survival.


149 posted on 12/06/2006 2:20:27 PM PST by Doghouse Riley
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To: Hildy

My son was deployed for a year in Iraq with the Marine Corp. risking his life every day and night and now I am wondering what the heck for.

The present strategy is insane. The Bush Administration won't bomb terrorist training camps in Syria or Iran, and won't seal off the borders to stop terrorists and weapons from coming into Iraq from Syria or Iran; we let our troops get killed and maimed by roadside bombs in the endless security convoys instead of letting our military conduct this war as they know how.

My son told me that if the higher ups would take the gloves off and let our Marines and Soldiers fight, this war in Iraq would be over in six months.

But if the Bush administration is going to continue to fight a P.C. war and continue to cave in to the Islamo-Fascists and to the left, then I say get our guys and gals out of Iraq ASAP.


150 posted on 12/06/2006 2:23:51 PM PST by texasmountainman (9/11/2001 terrorists attack. 10/7/2001 the U.S. attacks. 11/7/2006 the U.S. surrenders.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“As Baker sees this, the conference would provide a unique opportunity for the United States to strike a deal without Jewish pressure,” an official said.

Now that's one scary line. It's pretty dang close to the anti-semetic idea that those "Jooooos" control everything. Unreal.

151 posted on 12/06/2006 2:25:52 PM PST by piytar
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To: Swordfished

"Does this suggest 'end time' prophecy when everyone will 'go against' Israel?"
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I don't know about prophecy....but the way it's shaping up, Israel is pretty much on it's own. Hope they're able to stand 'em off -------or God steps in on their behalf.


152 posted on 12/06/2006 2:26:10 PM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington or are they all cowards?")
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To: SJackson
Minimal cost? Our National honor is too high a price to pay.

. If Baker can do a few favors for the Saudis, a palestinian state for example, so much the better.

Screw the saudis, they flew planes into our buildings. And the Palestinians who celebrated it.

153 posted on 12/06/2006 2:26:41 PM PST by processing please hold
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To: Red6
Is it just me, or does this sound COMPLETELY asinine?

Not just assinie, but also completely insane...

154 posted on 12/06/2006 2:27:45 PM PST by piytar
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To: texasmountainman

My son told me that if the higher ups would take the gloves off and let our Marines and Soldiers fight, this war in Iraq would be over in six months.
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So did my nephew.


155 posted on 12/06/2006 2:28:23 PM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington or are they all cowards?")
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To: montag813
Ok, let's hear from all the "Condi 2008" assclowns now. She is a disgusting Arab ass-kissing creep who was incompetant as NSA director and should have been fired on 9/12/2001.

I used to be one of those "Condi 2008" assclowns. I was wrong. She is worse than useless, although not quite as bad as a true traitorous libscum would be in her position...

156 posted on 12/06/2006 2:34:16 PM PST by piytar
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To: Williams
Bush Sr presided over the collapse of the Soviet Union, liberated Kuwait, defeated Saddam, and unified Germany in NATO, to name just a few.

And Bill Clinton presided over a balanced budget and welfare reform..and your point is?

157 posted on 12/06/2006 2:38:36 PM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: A message
SURRENDER.

For us, and everyone else.

158 posted on 12/06/2006 2:40:07 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Sunni or later Shi'ite happens." --spokeshave)
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To: Cecily
You forgot the last part of the Baker Doctrine: "And collect a nice paycheck from said enemies to do so."

Too true.

159 posted on 12/06/2006 2:41:27 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Sunni or later Shi'ite happens." --spokeshave)
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To: processing please hold

Do you mean Bandar "Bush" Saud?


160 posted on 12/06/2006 2:46:03 PM PST by ichabod1 (After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan.)
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