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Study turns human genetics on its head (less monkey...more variations)
Globe and Mail (Canada) ^ | 11/23/2006 | CAROLYN ABRAHAM

Posted on 11/23/2006 4:02:06 AM PST by peyton randolph

...Using new technology to study the genomes of 270 volunteers from four corners of the world, researchers have found that while people do indeed inherit one chromosome from each parent, they do not necessarily inherit one gene from mom and another from dad.

One parent can pass down to a child three or more copies of a single gene. In some cases, people can inherit as many as eight or 10 copies....

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aryan; asian; crevolist; devolution; dna; european; evolution; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; india; misinterpretation
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To: EricOF
You make good points!

I just want to know about the gene pool from which Janet Reno came.

;-)

****

Have a nice Thanksgiving.......

21 posted on 11/23/2006 6:14:05 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Eye colour inheritance is far more complex than the erroneously simplified "brown gene", "blue gene" etc.
Make sense. I wish they'd stop teaching the oversimplified version. I know they are, because my 8 year old explained it to me a year or so ago.
22 posted on 11/23/2006 6:29:18 AM PST by Scutter
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To: Scutter

I agree.


23 posted on 11/23/2006 6:31:31 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Scutter

I have blue eyes, my husband has green w/ hazel around the pupil. My son has green, my other son has blue....my daughter has blue with hazel around the pupil. Strange.


24 posted on 11/23/2006 6:31:44 AM PST by I'm ALL Right! ("Tolerance" is only required of Conservatives.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

There could be a dormant recessive gene for many generations though.

Bb x Bb = bb (blue), with p = 0.25
= Bb (brown), with p = 0.5
= BB (brown, no recessive gene), with p = 0.25

I'm an amateur here but you would think that a blue-eyed child would almost have to get one gene from each brown-eyed parent, rather than both genes from one parent.


25 posted on 11/23/2006 6:32:09 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Scutter

My wife hd an interesting experience in her freshman biology class where simple genetics like this were discussed. The prof mentioned that if both parents were brown eyed, their children would be brown eyed. One girl raised her hand and argued against this because she had blue eyes and her parents both had brown eyes. The prof went into the detailed explanation and the girl ran out of the cloass crying.

Turns out she was adopted and wasn't told. She guessed in in class and left to confront her parents that confirmed it. Talk about a surprising way to learn somehting like that!


26 posted on 11/23/2006 6:34:52 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
I have blue eyes, my husband has green w/ hazel around the pupil. My son has green, my other son has blue....my daughter has blue with hazel around the pupil. Strange.
It is. As CarrotAndStick posted, it must be much more complicated than the simplistic Blue Gene / Brown Gene model that is taught in our institutions of primary education.
27 posted on 11/23/2006 6:35:40 AM PST by Scutter
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To: scrabblehack

Hmmm...I looked at the above again.....if eye color is determined by 8 or 10 genes rather than 1 then all bets are off.


28 posted on 11/23/2006 6:36:28 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
All humans are part of one race (and there are no subspecies) with very little genetic variation (the result of separation by at most some 5,000 years).

I thought the Australian aborigines had been isolated for something like 40,000 years.

-ccm

29 posted on 11/23/2006 6:39:27 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: doc30

That's complete crap. Two brown-eyed parents can definitely have a blue-eyed child.


30 posted on 11/23/2006 6:41:51 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay
That's complete crap. Two brown-eyed parents can definitely have a blue-eyed child.

Yes, if they both inherited one blue gene from their parents. Because blue-brown or brown-blue are expressed as brown, they would both have brown eyes. Their child, if it inherits the blue-blue combination from them, would have blue eyes.

31 posted on 11/23/2006 6:53:38 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: beyond the sea

"...Janet Reno came."

Yeti gene pool.


32 posted on 11/23/2006 7:03:14 AM PST by burroak
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To: burroak; beyond the sea
Yeti gene pool.


Shave the yeti

33 posted on 11/23/2006 7:08:16 AM PST by peyton randolph (No man knows the day nor the hour of The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief.)
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To: Andrew Byler
Variations in skin color? Humans are pigmented primarily by melanin. There are not separate colors of people, some people are more brown than others. Some have thinner skin, and thus appear redder or pinkish.

How are there various vocalizations of humanity? What do you mean by facial type? Almond eyes are caused by more fat under the eyelid than European eyes (which also have fat, simply less of it). Asians tend to have wider cheekbones than Europeans, and Africans tend to have wider nasal cavities than either Asian or Europeans.

Body sizes are primarily determined (not totally, but primarily) by a combination of genetics and diet. Height is largely based on diet. Ecto-/Endo-/Meso- morph is often genetic. However, this is not race-based, just as right/left handism, and even blood type is not race-based. Even in cases leaning toward a distinction by people group (race) such as European have around half a chance of being type A bloodtype while the rest of the world is largely type O (along with around half of Europeans).

Prevalence is not the same as one group has this trait, and that trait is absent in the other groups.

People within people groups simply tend to be more related to one another than people in another people group, just as would be more related to those in your immediate family more than you would to your first cousins. Similar genetic markers simply show a mutual ancestor (with a mutation) for a particular group. Using the close family analogy again, your family could have inherited a mutation from your father, while your cousins could be devoid of such a mutation. Your cousins and you are still very closely related, hence the need for incest laws. The genetic variance of the human race (singular) is not large enough for there to be races of humanity, subspecies or your subgroups (which are one and the same: a subgroup of a species is a subspecies).

P.S. Appreciate your respectful tone in your response. Looking at the ping section, and there are a lot of replies. Guessing that many of them won't be as respectful as yours.

34 posted on 11/23/2006 7:25:48 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Think of the reason for today.)
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To: EricOF

Actually it is the idea that there are races that is nonsense. There has not been enough time for races to surface. Humans live a long time, do not have that many children (compared to some organisms), and can travel and interact over large distances. Until recently, humans were a relatively small species (in numbers), too. Also, humans are social beings who tend to live together (and not in tiny groups which could promote more mutations that normal due to incest). There are species and races of ants. There are no races of humanity.


35 posted on 11/23/2006 7:29:28 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Think of the reason for today.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
The Ainu are controversial. As you have stated, it is popular (largely among European and European-descended people) to draw a link between the Ainu and Europeans. Others (including some Japanese scientists) have an Asian or Oceanic origin for the Ainu. Pictures of Ainu (they are not extinct) make them look nonEuropean. However, this could be from admixture. For example, many Amerindians have copious quantities of European blood (traceable to recent times, not necessarily a Europeans-were-here-first thing, though that could have been the case).

Something to take into account. After Japan figuratively whooped Russia's butt in the Russo-Japanese War, European racists from their point of view elevated Japanese and demoted Russians by hypothesizing that the Japanese were partially European and this European blood gave them the ability to be a success. Conversely, Russians were tainted with Asian blood which caused them to lose, and they weren't fully European (not only culturally but by what today would be considered genetically). Note that this was the first case of a European nation losing a war to a nonEuropean one, and it was a rather sound defeat. Indeed, it was one of first chinks in the armor of the myth that European-descendees were inheritantly more advanced than other peoples. And with kudos to the Japanese, they rejected the idea that they were part European, declaring themselves to be fully Asian.

On a bit darker note, they countered European racism with Asian racism, a case of two bad things don't make a good thing. While Europeans were quick to note similarities of Africans to apes, the Japanese did the same for Europeans. While Africans are dark skinned, similar to many apes, and have wider noses than other humans, the Japanese racists pointed out that Europeans are hairier than other people groups, as are apes. Also, Europeans tend to have longer arms in proportion to their bodies than other people, and have shorter legs (again in proportion) than Africans, also similar to apes. Asians also produce less body odor than Europeans or Africans. The BBC had an article (solely about the body odor issue, not the racism) about this, and apparently the b.o. is related to a gene for wet earwax which Africans and Europeans tend to have, while Asians tend to have dry earwax. On one hand, it was good that they showed Europeans they weren't particularly special compared to their peers around the world. It is good for practically everybody to bring arrogant people down a notch or two, or five.... On the other, it was still racism, and still bad.

36 posted on 11/23/2006 7:48:23 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Think of the reason for today.)
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To: ccmay
According to Macroevolutionists, it could be around 60,000 years (60,000 ya go out of Africa and one branch goes to South Asia and Australia and nearby islands while rest stay around in southwestern Asia (Middle East); 40,000 branching in southwestern Asia with one part going to Europe, the other to Asia; and 20,000 ya a group of north Asians go to the Americas?).

However, in the Creationist model, the universe and world are some 6,000 Earth years old. Some 5,000 years ago the global population was wiped out except for one family from which every single human today is descended. Thus, at the very greatest extent, two people could be at most cousins separated by some 5,000 years.

37 posted on 11/23/2006 7:54:51 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Think of the reason for today.)
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Kudos to all respondees on this thread so far. Only the guy who posted something about leftist nonsense could even be construed as rude, and it definitely did not seem personally directed.

Evidence that there can be respectful disagreement.

38 posted on 11/23/2006 7:57:03 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( Think of the reason for today.)
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To: burroak

LOL


39 posted on 11/23/2006 8:06:29 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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To: peyton randolph; burroak
LOL............ now explain Eleanor Clift.

;-)

Here's wishing you a great Thanksgiving........

40 posted on 11/23/2006 8:07:57 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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