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N.Y. Plans to Make Gender Personal Choice
New York Times ^ | 11/07/06 | DAMIEN CAVE

Posted on 11/06/2006 9:24:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc

Separating anatomy from what it means to be a man or a woman, New York City is moving forward with a plan to let people alter the sex on their birth certificate even if they have not had sex-change surgery.

Under the rule being considered by the city’s Board of Health, which is likely to be adopted soon, people born in the city would be able to change the documented sex on their birth certificates by providing affidavits from a doctor and a mental health professional laying out why their patients should be considered members of the opposite sex, and asserting that their proposed change would be permanent.

Applicants would have to have changed their name and shown that they had lived in their adopted gender for at least two years, but there would be no explicit medical requirements.

“Surgery versus nonsurgery can be arbitrary,” said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the city’s health commissioner.

Dr. Frieden continued: “Somebody with a beard may have had breast-implant surgery. It’s the permanence of the transition that matters most.”

If approved, the new rule would put New York at the forefront of efforts to redefine gender. A handful of states do not require surgery for such birth certificate changes, but in some of those cases patients are still not allowed to make the change without showing a physiological shift to the opposite gender.--Snip--

--Snip--The change would lead to many intriguing questions: For example, would a man who becomes a woman be able to marry another man? (Probably.) Would an adoption agency be able to uncover the original sex of a proposed parent? (Not without a court order.) Would a woman who becomes a man be able to fight in combat, or play in the National Football League? (These areas have yet to be explored.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: deviancy; deviants; fraud; gayagenda; gender; homosexualagenda; lgbt; mentalillness; moralabsolutes; mutilation; nyc; perversion; perverts; sex; sexchange; slimes; sodom; sodomites; transgender
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To: conservative in nyc

Homosexual agenda.

This is disgusting... just think what they'll teach the kids next.

I fear God must punish us again... we haven't learned.


101 posted on 11/07/2006 12:15:51 PM PST by AliVeritas (Get out and vote. Yeah you, at the monitor, get off your duff and vote. Go GOP!)
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To: conservative in nyc

There are not enough words to adequately articulate my disgust.


102 posted on 11/07/2006 12:16:41 PM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: wagglebee

Most evil.


103 posted on 11/07/2006 12:35:57 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

I heard Rush talking about it today and couldn't believe it.


104 posted on 11/07/2006 12:36:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Army Air Corps

Clarification so noted.


105 posted on 11/07/2006 12:42:55 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: dimeadozen

Glad to have tickled you.


106 posted on 11/07/2006 12:43:45 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: conservative in nyc

Why stop there? Let people pick their own phylum, genus and species too.


107 posted on 11/07/2006 12:46:55 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: wagglebee; conservative in nyc; All
I don't know all about NYS vital statistics, but if NYC is under the jurisdiction of the state, as are all other municipalities in New York, then birth certificates are "STATE records generated by a municipality." NYC would be under the STATE Dept. of Health, and then would be required to go by STATE rules.

If this is the case, what NYC is doing is at the least meaningless, and at the most totally illegal.
108 posted on 11/07/2006 12:57:33 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (C'mon and dance with me!)
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To: syriacus
The liberals do have a certain, sick, logic, in the way they go about getting things to go their way.

True, but legislators meaning to counter liberals must practice foresight and wisdom in authoring laws so they accomplish what is intended without presenting loopholes. This is especially important when the legislation under consideration would amend the constitution. The constitution would be made a mockery if the amendment process becomes a collection of amendments meant to address one issue. If they will not do the complete task leave it alone so more capable persons can tend to it.
109 posted on 11/07/2006 2:00:17 PM PST by backtothestreets
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To: Jaded
Are you serious? Required reporting of blood sugar testing?

Yes. The labs must report a1c test results of city residents to the NYC Health Department - as if diabetics had some communicable disease like AIDS.
110 posted on 11/07/2006 2:03:19 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: kinoxi

"I wanna be an 'it'."

I wanna be a bird and fly away from this planet.

Things are getting frightening - chaos, bloodshed in our major cities, a war that we are waging to free a people who aren't always appreciative, rejection of all things spiritual, hatred of all things American, famine and suffering on a world-wide scale that could be avoided and so much else.

Many good people want to help make the world safe and a good place but others enjoy the chaos.

WHY?


111 posted on 11/07/2006 2:32:49 PM PST by bunches (Irish people enjoy whimsical humor)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I'm thinking these people are already democrats.....


112 posted on 11/07/2006 2:42:02 PM PST by azemt (Where are we going, and why are we in this basket?)
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To: trisham

I remember the conversation - I really thought I could grow up and be an elephant.

Funny thing, I DID grow up and become an elephant!

(Not really, but I need to lose about 35#...)


113 posted on 11/07/2006 3:52:12 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: TASMANIANRED

Well, I am home and I have had my evening meal. Time to write and FReep!


114 posted on 11/07/2006 4:54:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I just drove by the Jim Henson Studios Sunday when I went to the grocery. And I admired the huge green Kermit at the entrance.

Maybe.


115 posted on 11/07/2006 4:56:52 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: Army Air Corps

Glad you are home.

Even at work and just keeping tabs peripherally, this election has me ready to hurl..

Nerves.


116 posted on 11/07/2006 4:57:34 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Well, I am preparing myself in advance for the Dems to begin lawsuits when they do not gain control of either chamber of Congress.

I have kept my spirits high by reading PJ-Comix's DUmmie FUnnies.


117 posted on 11/07/2006 5:07:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: little jeremiah

I need to lose weight too(only about 15# but I've already started eating better)


118 posted on 11/07/2006 5:09:02 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Army Air Corps

They might go postal and take to the streets like they did in Mexico.


119 posted on 11/07/2006 5:10:36 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Or wear Guy Fawkes masks and begin chanting "We wanna print-out!"

Or they may simply pop some 'shrooms and increase their meds.


120 posted on 11/07/2006 5:18:07 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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