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David Frum responds to Vanity Fair's lies : the Neocon still support Bush on Iraq
French blog for George W. Bush ^ | 11/4/06 | drzz

Posted on 11/04/2006 9:38:42 AM PST by drzz

After having read that Vanity Fair had "pointed out" the Neocon rebuttal of Bush's policy in Iraq, I wrote to David Frum this message :

drzz Sent : Saturday, November 4, 2006 7:55 AM To : David Frum I discovered a claim in my local newspaper that you and some neoconservatives said critics about the Bush administration. According to the website of Vanity Fair, you said that Bush "says the words but doesn't understand the ideas." I have read also Richard Perle said the Iraq war was a mistake.

I hardly believe these comments come from neoconservatives, and I write to you to know wether it is true or not. It is just a question from one of your daily reader who finds "Vanity Fair"'s claim very suspicious.

My best regards,

He then wrote a new article on his blog which denies Vanity Fair's lies.

"My most fundamental views on the war in Iraq remain as they were in 2003: The war was right, victory is essential, and defeat would be calamitous.

And that to my knowledge is the view of everybody quoted in the release and the piece: Adelman, Cohen, Ledeen, Perle, Pletka, Rubin, and all the others. "

See the whole article on : http://drzz.over-blog.org


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: arrogance; bush; conservatives; democrats; disinformation; dnc; election; generalchat; gop; iraq; jihad; liberals; media; military; msm; republican; terrorism; treason; votegop; wot
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To: Wuli

The neocons don't have the courage to admit their part in the Iraq disaster. Instead, the scurry from responsiblity by blaming Condi. All so predictable, considering their past.


21 posted on 11/04/2006 2:14:05 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Valin
This is what Frum said on the blog. It is not so different from the depiction of him in Vanity Fair. It is hardly an endorsement of Bush's policy:

Obviously I wish the war had gone better. It's true I fear that there is a real danger that the US will lose in Iraq. And yes I do blame a lot that has gone wrong on failures of US policy.

22 posted on 11/04/2006 2:16:30 PM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Glad to see you still trying to preach reality among the at least want-to-be "true believers."

Why anyone should care what a self-promoting pseudo-conservative, like David Frum, has to say, really escapes me. As for the "Neo-cons?" Do they still acknowledge William Kristol's Trotskyite father as their "Godfather?" I hate to tell some of those want-to-bes, but Trotsky was just about as far as one can get from American Conservatism, and still be classified as human.

Cheers, however, for your ongoing efforts.

Bill Flax

23 posted on 11/04/2006 2:23:53 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Perle:"Vanity Fair has rushed to publish a few sound bites from a lengthy discussion with David Rose. Concerned that anything I might say could be used to influence the public debate on Iraq just prior to Thursday’s election, I had been promised that my remarks would not be published before the election.
I should have known better than to trust the editors at Vanity Fair who lied to me and to others who spoke with Mr. Rose. Moreover, in condensing and characterizing my views for their own partisan political purposes, they have distorted my opinion about the situation in Iraq and what I believe to be in the best interest of our country.
I believe it would be a catastrophic mistake to leave Iraq, as some are demanding, before the Iraqis are able to defend their elected government. As I told Mr. Rose, the terrorist threat to our country, which is real, would be made much worse if we were to make an ignominious withdrawal from Iraq.
I told Mr. Rose that as a nation we had waited too long before dealing with Osama bin Laden. We could have destroyed his operation in Afghanistan before 9/11.
I believed we should not repeat that mistake with Saddam Hussein, that we could not responsibly ignore the threat that he might make weapons of mass destruction available to terrorists who would use them to kill Americans. I favored removing his regime. And despite the current difficulties, I believed, and told Mr. Rose, that “if we had left Saddam in place, and he had shared nerve gas with Al Qaeda, or some other terrorist organization, how would we compare what we’re experiencing now with that?”
I believe the President is now doing what he can to help the Iraqis get to the point where we can honorably leave. We are on the right path. "

http://americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=6530


24 posted on 11/04/2006 3:30:57 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi

Post # 24


25 posted on 11/04/2006 3:36:34 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: syriacus

>>This is great. The dems are pulling lie after lie out of their pointy hats, which they wear on their pointy heads.<<


This one is so convoluted I don't how its gonna help the dems...


26 posted on 11/04/2006 3:38:22 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: the Real fifi
Concerned that anything I might say could be used to influence the public debate on Iraq just prior to Thursday’s election, I had been promised that my remarks would not be published before the election.

Is Perle this stupid or does he just think we are?

Contrary to Frum, Perle's not disputing the authenticity of the article.

27 posted on 11/04/2006 3:50:27 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Though I appreciate Frum and his thoughts, i doubt he has been in the military and does not understand war. Sometimes people who have never been in the military, have never personally experienced war, except here at home, do not understand "mistakes" are made in wartime. It has happened in every war, not just this one. The only reason we know about these mistakes is because of our 24/7 elitists spewing their dislike of our entry into Iraq, and look and find small errors and broadcast these errors far and wide, 24/7. Vanity Fair is a liberal bastion of elitists who think they are the only ones who know how to do everything. That's why the editors and presstitutes are on a payroll, rather than having their own businesses. They are not as smart as they think they are.


28 posted on 11/04/2006 3:53:09 PM PST by tillacum (There's a time for compromise.............. It's called..............Later.)
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To: streetpreacher

Yes, he is--if you read the VF article he is bemoaning the perfidy against Bush in his own cabinet, but he makes clear that he supports the President and the war and he certainly disputes the selective editing of his remarks to suggest otherwise..


29 posted on 11/04/2006 3:53:20 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: tillacum

Vanity Fair is a leftist rag, interspersed with ads for very expensive luxury items--it's for bubble heads.


30 posted on 11/04/2006 3:54:24 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi

You got that right. Remember when they did a spread on ole broadbeam and airbrushed her picture so she's look human?


31 posted on 11/04/2006 3:57:25 PM PST by tillacum (There's a time for compromise.............. It's called..............Later.)
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To: tillacum

Remember their Joe Wilson puff piece?

And they did a hatchet job of high moonbat quality (30,000) words on Ledeen accusing him of a variety of crimes which they ended with a disclaimer that they'd no evidence of any of that.


32 posted on 11/04/2006 4:05:48 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi
Concerned that anything I might say could be used to influence the public debate on Iraq just prior to Thursday’s election, I had been promised that my remarks would not be published before the election.

Strange error.  Rather like making a mistake and saying 'Easter Wednesday'.

33 posted on 11/04/2006 4:34:27 PM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: windchime

TYpo--Corrected at cite.


34 posted on 11/04/2006 5:07:29 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi

Thanks! It certainly had me wondering......


35 posted on 11/04/2006 6:04:03 PM PST by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT.)
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To: Austin Willard Wright

Again, you are dealing with your own rhetoric. I don't think it is that hard to find the "public voice of Bush" disconnect with the actions of the National Security Council, and now the State Department.

You simply want to kill the message because you don't like the messenger, without looking at the record itself.


36 posted on 11/05/2006 7:06:48 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Austin Willard Wright

They wouldn't serve in Vietnam either. Don't expect them to hang around when things get rough.


37 posted on 11/05/2006 11:17:44 AM PST by jd777
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