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Narrative Review: Lack of Evidence for Recommended Low-Density Lipoprotein Treatment Targets: A Solvable Problem
1 posted on 10/16/2006 9:15:46 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The way to deal with cholesterol is to wash everything down and out with a nice glass of good red wine.

It's like deglazing a pan, the alcohol and acid just break down the fat and grease and wash it right out of your body.

No problem. Plus you feel great.


2 posted on 10/16/2006 9:26:03 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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4 posted on 10/16/2006 9:29:05 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
And the lower number for target was recommended by a study group funded by a pharmacutical company that makes statin drugs.

Guess who benefits from it? I see a conflict of interest here.

5 posted on 10/16/2006 9:30:43 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: neverdem

For a certain fact, cigarette smoking is probably the worst thing one can do to clog up their arteries. I'm on a statin and I'm nearly 63 and have never had any indication of artery clogging but medical protocol dictates my cholesterol should be lower. What I do know for a certain fact is that it causes weird dreams; and I mean really weird dreams. There has to be a reason for that and I doubt it is necessarily good. I also take folic acid and niacin.


7 posted on 10/16/2006 9:46:49 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: neverdem

It's the RATIOs Stupid.....(not you neverdem).....Ratios of HGL, LGL, TRIGs, etc......THAT's what matters.....pharmaceutical's however, are making a KILLING on the statin drugs, I'll bet


8 posted on 10/16/2006 9:48:05 PM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: neverdem
Statin drugs lower cholesterol to prevent heart attacks.

Statin drugs also reduce muscle mass.

Isn't the heart a muscle?

Any other drug would be contra-indicated in this situation.

The link between heart attack and cholesterol is thin at best, some say non-existant.

Modern medicine=Insanity.

9 posted on 10/16/2006 9:53:52 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: neverdem

Interesting news... btw, the AOA convention is out here in Vegas this year, today was the first day and it was pretty sweet. :)


15 posted on 10/16/2006 10:14:36 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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Just saw this, will read it carefully a little later.


20 posted on 10/16/2006 10:31:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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"A provocative review paper published this month has raised questions about the aggressive cholesterol-lowering recommendations made two years ago by a government panel."

But... shouldn't we believe the government panel? /s





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29 posted on 10/16/2006 11:18:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: neverdem

I will tell you something that is even more idiotic.... I see and care for patients in a NH....Very government regulated places... Just to show you how stupid governement can be the NH has to pay for Pharmacist to consult every month. They look at charts not patients. They write up little notes that I have to address. They say we must check A lipid panel on all patients every 6 months and recommed I start so and so on lipid lowering medication.. I have to use my time writing to them why I do not feel it necessary to start John Doe on statin drugs as he is tube feed, does not walk or verbalize and does not know who or where he is but the government thinks lowering his cholesterol is of upmost importance. Never mind he is 85 years old. JUst like they tell me I need to start a female patient with the same medical condition on calicum with Vit D. Oh really. That is the problem with government paper pushers and regulators.


32 posted on 10/16/2006 11:40:31 PM PDT by therut
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To: neverdem
Why not focus more tightly on C-reactive protein?
53 posted on 10/17/2006 8:16:58 AM PDT by gaijin
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My 90 year old mother's cholesterol was never very high. It was fine according to the old goal, but not according to the more recent goals.

She was placed on a statin drug. Sometime after that, she could barely walk or sit up and had pain in her neck and shoulders.

She was, uncharacteristically, in bed the entire time that my brother next visited, and he and I discussed getting her a hospital bed so that she could sit upright. One of her doctors ordered scans and x-rays to rule out a fracture or some other damage but none was found.

One night I saw a commercial for a statin drug that mentioned "talking to the doctor" if muscle pains resulted from taking the drug.

I stopped giving my mother statins and she slowly regained her strength. The pains are gone.

65 posted on 10/17/2006 1:36:35 PM PDT by syriacus (Dems say we've lost respect in the eyes of the world. How would abandoning Iraqis help us with that?)
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To: neverdem

I was on statins briefly, but they made me feel lousy. At the recommendation of my dad (who is also a FReeper), I switched to polycosanol, which is sold as a supplement, and combined with dietary modifications, managed to get my total cholesterol down from 215 to 167, and my LDL under 130, without the muscle aches and other statin side-effects.

I am fairly suspicious of the statin industry.


70 posted on 10/17/2006 3:54:37 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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