Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol
Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.
WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."
"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.
Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."
The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.
Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.
"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."
The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.
The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.
Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.
A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.
Funny, I agree with what my source said the last time I read it, although I won't assume too much about its unvarying nature since Wiki is open to editing by activists. Also, the last time I read them, my source looked like the same article as "your" source hosted on a different site.
What part of 'I don't intend to argue' is it that you rocket scientists fail to understand? I'm not going to respond to you geniuses again so you may as well go find somebody who hasn't anything better to do than argue with brick walls and people with lower I.Q.'s than those walls. I'm done with this and won't bother reading any further posts relating to this thread. Have a nice day.
Did I ask for a response? No I was actually agreeing with you. BTW, I am a REAL rocket scientist, so you got that right at least.
I'm not going to respond to you geniuses again so you may as well go find somebody who hasn't anything better to do than argue with brick walls and people with lower I.Q.'s than those walls.
Read my post again.
I'm done with this and won't bother reading any further posts relating to this thread. Have a nice day.
Self-imposed ignorance is no way to go thru life.
What do you think literacy levels were like in Western Europe in 800? The availability of biblical texts had to be at least as good as for every other kind of text. Monasteries had rooms full of people copying books by hand. Rumor has it Bibles were a big favorite. Their availability had to have been far higher than in that pagan Classical Antiquity. After all, the Dark Ages had almost descended by the time the newly-dominant church had decided what books WERE the Bible and what were apocrypha.
Yes, there was some light even during the Dark Ages.
Gads. Give it up. You cannot fight against self-imposed ignorance.
Does your 'bible' say 'what' instead of 'who' ?
The 1917 Jewish Publication Society (JPS) translation has "I Am That I Am." The more recent 1985 JPS translation doesn't translate. It says, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" and footnotes, "Meaning of Hebrew uncertain; variously translated, 'I Am That I Am'' "I Am Who I Am'; and 'I Will Be What I Will Be.'"
I've joked about what if Popeye ("I am what I am and that's all that I am.") as God so often that I think of it as, "I Am What I Am" as well. Given the uncertainty of the translation and the range listed, "I Am What I Am" fits just as well.
Again, your examples include "Digby (1912) crossed" and The Russian cytologist Karpchenko (1927, 1928) crossed" and Crossing M. gracilis and M. citriodora", ad nauseum. That's ID: the crosser (here a scientist) acts as the intelligent designer.
There's the unreliable and unconvincing canard of the hawthorn tree and its worms.
'Evolution' is a handy framework for problems, but the historical record just isn't there.
That's not a particularly strong argument. If everyone around you is behaving badly, then nonconformity is a virtue. If science says the earth orbits the sun, nonconformity is silly.
If you have something to say, it's best to make a reasoned argument; platitudes don't cut it.
I'm saying you have no knowledge of science; you have accumulated a list of supporters that you are openly contemptuous of, and you are openly disrupting the reasoned discussion of science on FR.
It's an insult to FR, and insult to Republicans, and you could not do more damage to conservatism if you were working for Democratic Underground.
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As I say on my tagline ..
No. Wherever the biblical texts were in use. They continue to be the antidote for superstition, a stimulant for science, and a source of inspiration. It was the biblical texts that gave a remnant of the medieval population some hope in the face of the collapse of the Roman and Greek empires.
By and large, however, the biblical texts suffered neglect and abuse as they do today. Darwinism, evolutionism, etc. continue to push science and the public at large back into the dark ages. Not content to have a forum in which to speak their ideas publicly and freely, they must seek legal means to give their ideas an exclusive hearing. That isn't science. That's tyranny.
Ah, so the ignorant peasants suppressed the publishing and reading of the Bible, did they?
The headline indicates the profound ignorance of the many.
Darwin could not lie. He published his observations and conclusions. Neither allow for untruth. He reported what he saw and then drew conclusions.
The bible. Look at all the different species and varieties within them. Someone had to design them. They didn't crawl up out of the water. There's no evidence, especially fossil evidence, for Darwin's theory.
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