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1 posted on 10/04/2006 9:39:30 AM PDT by qam1
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The researchers found that 61% of new fathers and 56% of new mothers became less satisfied with their leisure time in the year after their first child was born.

No, REALLY?!?

Maybe they'll enjoy their leisure time more when Britain has a Moslem majority?

2 posted on 10/04/2006 9:41:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There's nowhere to go and you've got all day to get there ... on some beach, somewhere.")
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No - it is more like the HUGE tax burden that prevents people from having children.


6 posted on 10/04/2006 9:46:05 AM PDT by 2banana
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7 posted on 10/04/2006 9:46:41 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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Finances? Wow, and here I stopped having children because I ran out of bedrooms. What was I thinking.


8 posted on 10/04/2006 9:47:05 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (This tag line will be commercial free for the remainder of this thread.)
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In a welfare state first you pay for the children of incompent parents or immigrants and then if you have anything left over you can spend it on your own children.

Unless you are man, in which case you are only permitted the financial liabilities of parenthood while the possessory interest of the government and the mother in the child obliterates any claim you have upon them.

9 posted on 10/04/2006 9:48:09 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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If we accept this rational-choice model (and I think it is very useful for explaining fertility patterns in most societies), people clearly are either unaware of or reject that children can be one of the most profound joys in life for most people. Those who are blessed enough to be parents know this, and I wonder why those who choose childlessness for these kinds of reasons are not aware of it.


10 posted on 10/04/2006 9:50:02 AM PDT by untenured
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In my own experience, it's not so much lack of cash as lack of affordable health insurance.


13 posted on 10/04/2006 9:51:36 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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"...the average cost of raising a child to the age of 18 was now more than £122,000."

Which equates to just under $230K USD. $230K/18=$12,777.777 per year. For some reason I'm not sure I am buying that cost.


15 posted on 10/04/2006 9:52:30 AM PDT by CSM ("When you stop lying about us, we'll stop telling the truth about you." No Truce With Kings)
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I hear about the gap between the haves and the have-nots. But the have-nots often have larger families (whether or not they can afford to raise them).


16 posted on 10/04/2006 9:53:14 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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Now I know the inevitable, "There's never a 'right' time, you can always find more money," etc... We are waiting because we want to live on one income. To do that, we have to get our expenses down to a reasonable level and/or get our one income up to a reasonable level. I suspect there are plenty of couples doing a similar thing.


20 posted on 10/04/2006 10:00:04 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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It appears parents are delaying children not so much as a lifestyle choice, but because a rational analysis of the time and money needed to raise them properly shows that they are not yet ready.

I know that in my case, even with the most optimistic and aggresive plans I don't think I'll have the financial stability and security needed for kids before I'm 30 (and we'll see about the maturity :-p). I don't have the heart to add up how much my parents spent on me over my lifetime.


33 posted on 10/04/2006 10:41:23 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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If you are very poor children don't cost near as much.


36 posted on 10/04/2006 10:47:52 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Those that do not heed the warnings of history....)
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Cost to raise a child (US) calculator:

http://www.sunlife-usa.com/tool/tl_5.cfm
42 posted on 10/04/2006 11:09:35 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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I always hear these outrageous costs quoted for having children, and just the tiniest bit of common sense will tell you it's not true. Are they to tell me the average family with 3 children spends $36K a year on them?

If you utilize a birthing center or midwife, you'll pay $3K or less for the entire (normal) pregnancy and birth (and you're more likely to have a healthy outcome with those options). You'll pay less, whether you have an OB or Midwife, if you have medical insurance. Then you get a tax credit to defray the cost somewhat.

We spend about $150 -$200 per year on (nice) clothes for the first boy & girl, utilizing Ebay, Goodwill, retail clearance sales & garage sales. Those are handed down with additional clothes added as needed.

Breastfeeding is free.

Cloth diapers have an initial investment of about $100 (or less), which will last you through several children.

Our biggest expense will be homeschooling, which we estimate at around $500/year for the first child (less for subsequent children since most materials can be reused), which includes the cost of field trips.


43 posted on 10/04/2006 11:09:56 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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Oh no! I might lose my "leisure time" if I have children! Horror of horrors!

How about this--if you don't have children, you might lose a lot more than that. How much "leisure time" will you permitted under Sharia when you have to work all day just to pay the jizya tax?

Has the West truly become a civilization of pampered, short-sighted, self-absorbed freaks? If so, we deserve to fall--and no one will be there to pick us up.
46 posted on 10/04/2006 11:13:52 AM PDT by Antoninus (Attention GOP---Rule 4: See Rules 1 and 3. Rule 5: NO FOLEYS!)
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Twenty and thirtysomethings were participating in twice as many leisure activities as 25 years ago and appeared reluctant to give them up.

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Well, there you have it.....kids.

74 posted on 10/04/2006 2:08:01 PM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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But only 7% did not want to have children because they thought they would not be a good parent.

cool I'm in the minority where's my gubment check?

76 posted on 10/04/2006 2:31:15 PM PDT by CzarNicky (Gentlemen, Dethklok has summoned a troll.)
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Finance biggest deterrent to having children, report says

This sure doesn't tell the whole story because people with less money tend to have more kids. It would probably be much more accurate to say desire for wealth the biggest deterrent to having children.

88 posted on 10/05/2006 7:37:38 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Man defiles a rock when he chips it with a tool. Ex 20:25)
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The tribe with the most babies; wins....


89 posted on 10/05/2006 7:38:51 AM PDT by thinking
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