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Cosby: Let's all give $8 each to build slavery museum
CNN & Associated Press ^ | September 22, 2006

Posted on 09/22/2006 11:50:10 PM PDT by LouAvul

Edited on 09/23/2006 2:12:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Bill Cosby on Friday called on each American to contribute $8 to help build a national slavery museum amid the battlefields of the Civil War.

Cosby, who already has committed $1 million to the project, joined Richmond Mayor L. Douglas Wilder on Friday in launching a new campaign to raise $100 million toward the Fredericksburg museum's $200 million price tag.


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To: pawdoggie
...and if I was in my great-grandfathers place in 1860 here in South Carolina, I would have served my family, my people, and my state, along with thousands of other Southern Patriots who swore to uphold the Constitution and put on the uniform of the CSA. Those people came down here and burned my family's home. Patriotism starts with ones family and home... Deo Vindice
21 posted on 09/23/2006 1:26:58 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: stainlessbanner

...not again.


22 posted on 09/23/2006 1:31:43 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: LouAvul

But consider the possibilities for endless grievance mongering -- the entire point of the effort.


23 posted on 09/23/2006 1:53:46 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: LouAvul

I wonder if that great population of white Americans realizes just how much Cosby despises them. The man may be a voice in the wilderness when he explains to black people what is wrong with their thoughts and actions, but he is still a bigot.


24 posted on 09/23/2006 2:06:18 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: pawdoggie

Right On!


25 posted on 09/23/2006 2:07:05 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: zarf

I agree with you - and I'm not black.

Anybody who ever watched the movie the Amistad probably would feel the same way.

Slavery was the one evil which outlived the document which should have killed it - the Declaration of Independence, and which nearly killed the nation nearly 100 years later.


26 posted on 09/23/2006 2:07:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: LouAvul

Hey Bill , loan me $8 pleeze!


27 posted on 09/23/2006 2:10:08 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: LouAvul
Is it going to include the Greek, Roman, Celtic, Viking, Americn Indian, African, Hittite, Mongol, and other slaves, or just the white owned black American ones? After all, it isn't fair to discriminate, now, is it?
28 posted on 09/23/2006 2:17:21 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Wacka
"How about only people who had ancestors here then should pay. All of my ancestors were in Poland, so we had nothing to do with slavery."

How about we just deport all Americans of Polish descent. You can sit next to Martha Stewart on the boat ride back to Old Europe.

29 posted on 09/23/2006 2:21:56 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

That's your reply? Whatastinker.


30 posted on 09/23/2006 2:26:30 AM PDT by endthematrix (“Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence.”)
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To: endthematrix

Ya....almost stinks as much as Wacka's ridiculous plan.


31 posted on 09/23/2006 2:28:04 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Van Jenerette; pawdoggie
"History speaks for itself."

These threads are so much fun, especially after further arguments prompt me to prove with document transcript that Texas was far more "southern" than states like, for instance, South Carolina (southern as that state "whaaaaahhhhzzzz").




The Avalon Project at Yale Law School

Confederate States of America Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

Excerpts:

"fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right . . . The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation . . . the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations . . . but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation . . . The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor. We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection . . . and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens . . . On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States. Source: ASCII Text Prepared by Justin Sanders from J.A. May & J.R. Faunt, *South Carolina Secedes* (U. of S. Car. Pr, 1960), pp76-81.
32 posted on 09/23/2006 2:32:10 AM PDT by familyop ("G-d is on our side because he hates the Yanks." --St. Tuco, in the "Good, the Bad, and the Ugly")
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To: LouAvul
Cosby: Let's all give $8 each to build slavery museum

Interesting thought, but that $8 dollars would be better spent on bullets to slaughter those who still engage in the slave trade in foreign nations today. In fact, I think Cosby could do more good in engaging the debate on the current slave trade rather than rub salt in the festering wounds of race-relations as the rats have cultivated between poor black minorities addicted to government subsidies and the working nation.

If he could focus their attention upon the injustices perpetuated against people held as slaves in other nations, perhaps he might motivate those who simply feel persecuted towards self reflection. It might change the way they see their lives and stir them into action, perhaps grasping for the first time, the opportunities afforded to them by this great nation.

A slave museum? We cannot forget the past, however to move forward, we must heal. Focusing our attention on our wounds rather than what works does not seem like a positive direction to go in.

33 posted on 09/23/2006 2:36:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: familyop
"All the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved; and that the Government, as originally organized, should be administered in purity and truth." - Robert E. Lee, 1866

I also believe in the U.S. Constitution. That's why I served.

www.jenerette.com

34 posted on 09/23/2006 2:52:12 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: LouAvul; All

$8 per American X 300 million Americans = $2.4 billion
That would be quite a museum, and it would have many opportunities to add new materials since slavery is far from extinct in the world, or even in the United States.

As a migrant from the Midwest to the South whose ancestors arrived in the late 19th century, I had no dogs in this fight (the fratricidal war of 1861-64), but a considerable interest in how the federated republic of united states before that war became the unitary north American empire which fulfilled its "manifest destiny" to rule "from sea to sea", and ended the century by tearing up the Spanish Empire and establishing imperial outposts in the western Pacific approaches to Asia.

In the following century it grew into a global empire as three European empires and the Ottoman Empire disintegrated in the Great War of 1914-18, and expanded further with the defeat of the Japanese Empire and the German Reich, and the ensuing collapse of the British, French, and Dutch empires who struggled alongside it in the second inning of the Great War (1939-1945), and triumphed in the third round (1946-1992) over the communist reincarnation of the Russian empire.

Looking back at how our welfare-warfare empire came into being, it is regretable that the contenders in the fratricdal war of the 1860s (not as bloody as the much longer and costlier Taiping rebellion which lasted twice as long and killed 10 times as many people, see, e.g.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion , but bloody enough) defended a mixture of admirable and detestable principles that resulted in the overthrow of the federated state that preceded the war and replaced it with an increasingly centralized state governed from "Rome-on-the-Potomac", which has ever since been extending its grip on power at the expense of its consitituent states which increasingly resemble tributary provinces.

The southern contenders fought at least in part to preserve their "peculiar institution", but also to resist their financial enslavement by the manufacturing and financial interests of the north, who sought to preserve their vampire like grip on the agricultural economy of the south with a system of protective tariffs. The paradox of both practicing slavery while withdrawing from the union as a means of resisting enslavement, of defending their liberty to enslave others, seriously weakened the southern cause in its efforts to gain international support for its case for independence. The paradox of mustering invading armies to impose a centralized oligarchic order in the name of freedom and "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" tainted the northern triumph, and set the stage for the Gilded age of the oligarchs of the last quarter of the 19th century, and the financially unstable warfare-welfare state in which we live today.

That's how it looks to me, admittedly a late arrival on the scene (or at least my ancestors came late). It will be interesting to see how the story plays out for the rest of my tenure among this people. It has been a great blessing living here, so I hope for the best in the future. There are both bleak and encouraging signs in the air and, as Peggy Noonan notes, just now:

The World Is as Hot as the Devil
By PEGGY NOONAN
September 23, 2006; Page P12

This is what I was thinking as I walked this week along the siren-filled streets of New York: The temperature of the world is very high.

We have a global warming problem, and maybe it's due to an increase in the output of heated words. And they too can, in the end, melt icecaps.

"The Pope must die." "The Holocaust is a lie." "I can still smell the sulfur."

The last of course from the democratically elected president of the republic of Venezuela, population 26 million, which helps keep America going economically by selling it, at significant profit, oil.

His remarks were startling. No one wants to dignify them with a response. But that's a mistake. Because the world heard them.

- - - - - - - - -
Harsh words inspire the unstable.

Coolants are needed. Here is an idea. Don't try to ignore Chávez, answer him. With the humility that comes with deep confidence, with facts, and with some humor, too.

There is an opportunity for the Democratic Party. Some Democrats responded with spirited indignation the day after Chávez spoke, and it was rousing. But Chávez's charges were grave, and he claimed America's abuses could be tracked back a century. If the Democrats seek to speak for America, why not start with a serious and textured response, one that isn't a political blast-back but a high-minded putting forward of facts? This would take guts, and farsightedness. Rebutting a wild-eyed man who says you can find redemption reading Noam Chomsky is a little too much like rebutting a part of your base.

As for the administration, it is so in the habit of asserting, defending and repeating, it barely remembers how to persuade and appeal. It speaks starkly and carries a big stick. It feels so beleaguered on a daily basis, and so snakebit, that even its mildest players have taken refuge in gritting their teeth and tunneling on. They take comfort in this: They think Chávez helps them. See what we're up against? But that's not a response, it's a way not to respond. It doesn't help, because it doesn't even try to cool things down. Which is no good, because the temperature of the world is very high.

http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB115895665254671591.html


35 posted on 09/23/2006 3:09:17 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: LouAvul

How about the museum of the people who died in the war against slavery?
No money from me for this.


36 posted on 09/23/2006 3:11:21 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

An odd complaint. The country is full of museums that celebrate the combatants in that war. You could spend several years of your life visiting them all.

http://www.homepages.dsu.edu/jankej/civilwar/museums.htm


37 posted on 09/23/2006 3:23:07 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Dallas59

"Blacks only or will it include whites, hispanics, asians..."

How about a museum for the white working men & women that have been funding the many social programs, welfare, food stamps, free medical, free college etc?

A "Slavery Museum" would become nothing more than a center for demonstrations against "whitey" and the evils he has done to the black community.


38 posted on 09/23/2006 3:41:02 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: zarf
There is already a NATIONAL Civil Rights Museum, right here in Memphis, Tenn.
39 posted on 09/23/2006 3:46:31 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: zarf
There is already a NATIONAL Civil Rights Museum, right here in Memphis, Tenn.
40 posted on 09/23/2006 3:46:44 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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