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Ancient Birds Flew On All Fours
eurekalert ^ | Spet. 22, 2006 | Nick Longrich

Posted on 09/22/2006 6:27:23 AM PDT by Tokra

The earliest known ancestor of modern-day birds took to the skies by gliding from trees using primitive feathered wings on their arms and legs, according to new research by a University of Calgary paleontologist. In a paper published in the journal Paleobiology, Department of Biological Sciences PhD student Nick Longrich challenges the idea that birds began flying by taking off from the ground while running and shows that the dinosaur-like bird Archaeopteryx soared using wing-like feathers on all of its limbs.

"The discussions about the origins of avian flight have been dominated by the so-called 'ground up' and 'trees down' hypotheses," Longrich said. "This paper puts forward some of the strongest evidence yet that birds descended from arboreal parachuters and gliders, similar to modern flying squirrels."

The first fossil of the Jurassic-era dinosaur Archaeopteryx lithographica was discovered in Germany in 1861, two years after Charles Darwin published his theory of evolution in On The Origin of Species. Since then, eight additional specimens have been unearthed and Archaeopteryx is considered the best evidence that birds evolved from dinosaurs since it had both feathers and a bird-like wishbone, along with classic reptilian features of a long bony tail, claws and teeth.

Although scientists immediately noticed feather-like structures on the hind limbs, they were dismissed as insulating body feathers that didn't play a role in the animal's flight. It wasn't until several four-winged dinosaurs in China were described in 2002 that researchers began to re-examine Archaeopteryx's legs.

"The idea of a multi-winged Archaeopteryx has been around for more than a century, but it hasn't received much attention," Longrich said. "I believe one reason for this is that people tend to see what they want or expect to see. Everybody knows that birds don't have four wings, so we overlooked them even when they were right under our noses."

Under the supervision of professor Anthony Russell, Longrich examined Archaeopteryx fossils and determined that the dinosaur's leg feathers have an aerodynamic structure that imply its rear limbs likely acted as lift-generating "winglets" that played a significant role in flight.


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To: trashcanbred

A friend of ours was out walking Pumpkin, her shihtzu, one day when someone remarked, "How cute! You've trained your guinea pig to walk on a leash!"


61 posted on 09/22/2006 8:50:37 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Tokra
Randy: "Earl, do monkies worry about their looks?"

Earl: "Randy, I've already told you. If they did, they'd wear pants."

62 posted on 09/22/2006 8:51:24 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: VadeRetro
"If anything, the nutcases are winning on FR."

Sad but true. There are some bright lights, however. I has read comments by yourself, Coyoteman, Ichneumon, Mineral Man, and so many others, I have to believe there is hope. Sadly, RWP is no longer with us - frankly, I thought he deserved a medal, not exile.
63 posted on 09/22/2006 9:06:54 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: RoadTest
A fish isn't a dinosaur.

Show me the difference(s) between a human embryo & a tadpole. Or, for that matter, the human genome & a fly. The problem with science is the cold reality that one confronts. That's why religious intellectuals, like the current pope, take the smart road by ceding the evolution debate.

Instead, they focus on such inponderables like who/what created energy/matter & the physical properties we see in our current universe? (Are there others in the 'current' plane ie can we only experience a 'slice'? Have there been others before & more to come in infinite time?) As long as science cannot answer those questions, the pope will never get a rebuttal.

64 posted on 09/22/2006 9:07:56 AM PDT by Chuck Dent
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To: tomzz
... evolutionary theory demands that somewhere over the last five or ten thousand years out of all the chickens which have ever gotten loose, some should have regained whatever is lacking for full flight capabilities and retaken the skies.

This statement is utterly fatuous. Domesticated chickens can't survive in the wild, much less reproduce to the point where anyone would notice. I know this never made any impression on you when you posted as "Medved," but why make the same silly mistakes when you're tomzz?

What's next? A re-run of your minstrel dialect act and telling us how much you loved Amos 'n' Andy?

65 posted on 09/22/2006 9:13:02 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: PatrickHenry; Tokra

nah - the usual televangelists' catamites and other assorted ineducables have already corrupted Tokra's thread


66 posted on 09/22/2006 9:26:47 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Gumlegs; tomzz

yes, that statement was utterly fatuous.
and, of course, one could observe that only a citified primadonna doesn't know that domestic chickens are quite capable of flight.


67 posted on 09/22/2006 9:29:57 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Tokra
Flying lemurs?


68 posted on 09/22/2006 9:34:25 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
The collugo, yes. A superficially bat-like primate. It can't really fly, but it seems to be getting close in its gliding ability.

It's a primate, more related to monkeys than to the bats it resembles. This is more starkly obvious when you see a young one, as in this baby clinging to the side of its mama in mid-glide.

The picture starkly demonstrates another bit of evolutionary lore, that humans look like the babies of other primates. That is, we exhibit neoteny within our group.

69 posted on 09/22/2006 9:58:45 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Nice picture!

The Tree of Life has colugos as the only 2 species in the order Dermoptera, family Cynocephalidae.

I've seen articles from 2002 that include them in the Primate order based on DNA analysis.

I report. You decide.

I just like a primate with flying in its name.


70 posted on 09/22/2006 10:20:13 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: VadeRetro
by every precept of Darwinism, the skies should be full of flying feral chickens." People such as myself would point out that the presence of well-adapted fliers already plentiful in the skies would make it hard for a poor flier to gain a foothold, much less to completely take over and drive the eagles and hawks from the sky.

You make it sound like the sky was absolutely full of birds at all times. The sky isn't full of anything; it's mostly empty air. In most parts of North America, you'll see an eagle or hawk about once every couple of weeks. You probably ought to stick with the ad-hominems and the crybaby acts, logic and grasp of reality don't seem to be any sort of strong suits for you.

71 posted on 09/22/2006 10:24:21 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz
You make it sound like the sky was absolutely full of birds at all times. The sky isn't full of anything; it's mostly empty air. In most parts of North America, you'll see an eagle or hawk about once every couple of weeks.

Your statement is totally false. Ever read the early explorers' accounts? (I thought not.)

72 posted on 09/22/2006 10:34:30 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: tomzz; VadeRetro

He said "plentiful", not "full off". I would also point out that Jungle Fowl, given the nature of the environment to which they have adapted, only fly short distances (the vegetative cover precludes longer flight). They are, however, extremely quick on their feet (have you ever tried to catch a chicken?).


73 posted on 09/22/2006 10:37:47 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: tomzz

And actually he said "full of", not "full off". So there.


74 posted on 09/22/2006 10:39:24 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Have you seen this one?

PING
75 posted on 09/22/2006 10:41:41 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: js1138

Never underestimate the felt gravity effect.

The 4th Law: if you can't feel it you won't get pulled down


76 posted on 09/22/2006 10:49:51 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: tomzz
The sky has about the density of birds it will support. There's no way for it to be somehow full of a species of bird which on a good day can barely make it to the mid-levels of the nearest tree. You should have spent more of the last 10-15 years listening and less trying to invent snarky responses when people point out the too-dumb-to-live nature of your posts.
77 posted on 09/22/2006 10:54:00 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Gosh, you have reminded me of what an ill-tempered, retarded, buffoonish, conspiratorial clown medved was when he was around here.


78 posted on 09/22/2006 11:09:34 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: balrog666
Somehow, it's easy to be reminded of that these days.
79 posted on 09/22/2006 11:15:30 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Flying lemurs aren't true primates. They are, however, our closest living non-primate relatives (unless you don't consider tree shrews to be primates).


80 posted on 09/22/2006 12:42:10 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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