CSPAN "Dying to Win: Strategic logic of Suicide Terrorism"

Nope.

Illogical.

I watched. He says we had troops in Saudia Arabia since 1990 and the first Iraq war and in other countries there. That would be the same motivation. Then we went into Afghanistand and Iraq again to avenge 9-11, making things worse. That's his story-not mine!! Just explaining how he explains the earlier attacks.

He's claiming terrorists have a rational reason for attacking and that allw e need to do is leave Iraq and the stop killing people. This guy hasn't a clue what our enemy wants.

Blame America! Offshore Bases! Bull. He said cut and run.

I think G.C. Marshall, Chief of Staff was right, "No compromise is possible and the victory of the democracies can only be complete with the utter defeat of the war machines of Germany and Japan (al-Qaeda)."

He says we had troops in Saudia Arabia since 1990 and the first Iraq war and in other countries there. That would be the same motivation. Then we went into Afghanistand and Iraq again to avenge 9-11, making things worse. That's his story-not mine!! <<

Yup....We did U MF!!!.(islamo what ever u are)...NOW!!!...What do u want to complain about next?
( ...Ever had a gun to your head??...think about it )

"Then we went into Afghanistand and Iraq again to avenge 9-11"

About 2003, Israel began to target Hamas leaders for assassination, they moved armor into the west bank, they used bulldozers. Suicide bomings and other attacks decreased dramatically.

Since the U.S.A. invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S.A. has not been attacked by Islamowhackos.

Kill more of 'em.

yitbos

Based on what I see on TV, "professors" are idiots.

Mohammed commanded that all non-Muslims (meaning Christians and Jews because the other non-Muslims were dead) were to leave the Hijaz and never return, a small northwestern part of the Saudi Arabia that is home to Mecca. This fact is what the radicals cite in their justifications (they tend to include all of Saudi Arabia, not just the Hijaz). Baghdad is also a very holy city.

Our being in these places certainly does anger many Muslims, it's clear. However, there is one thing that makes them even angrier: We are not Muslims. If we had no presence in the Middle East, they would still be attacking us for this fact alone. They hate democracy, personal expression, the promiscuity of the West...everything about it. Remember the Danish cartoon? This cartoon was printed in Denmark, but Danish free expression offended Muslims. Remember Salman Rushdie...?

A culture rooted in blood, murder, assasination, suicide, public punishment of the most horific kind and any et cetera's I'm forgetting .. cannot, in my opinion, stop itself even if it accomplishes what it says it sets out to do.

Consider ... Every American and every Israeli is killed .. no more exist, finito, extinct ... and the smelly ones come over here and taste our technology ... Japan is westernized ... So is Russia, and Germany and France and England and ... well ... you get the picture ... the killing will never stop.

Let me say that again .. the Islamists will never stop killing .. it's part of their culture, and unless they exchange their culture for another ... they will always want to kill.

So, the answer is .. really .. like God told the Hebrews .. go kill them all .. their men, their women, their children, their cattle and sheep and goats.

When no-one else is around, muslims like to slaughter each other.

as we used to say in tight situations..."kill em all..let GOD sort em out...

I'm not watching it.

Since I am not in academia; I'll post these suicide-homicide links for anyone interested.

ON THE NET...

Google - News - Search Term: "HUMAN BOMB"

MEMRI.org - Search Term: "Suicide (Martyrdom) Operations"

YAHOO! News - Photo Gallery: "Suicide Bomber" (NOTE: Click on any of the numerous thumbnail photos to get THE BIG PICTURE.)

GOOGLE - Search Term: "HOMICIDE BOMBERS"

"www.internet-haganah.com"

JAMESTOWN.org - Terrorism Focus: "LONDON PLOT DRAWS ATTENTION TO POTENTIAL FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBERS" by Farhana Ali (August 22, 2006)

INTELLIGENCE-SUMMIT.blogspot.com (AKI) - Tehran: "IRAN SUICIDE BOMBERS JOINED HEZBOLLAH IN LEBANON, MILITANT SAYS" (July 21, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "IRAN'S SUICIDE BOMBERS THREATEN TO STRIKE U.S. INTERESTS" (May 26, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AKI): Tehran - "'We have brothers who are ready to sacrifice their lives for the triumph of Islam in Great Britain, France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands and also the United States'" (May 27, 2006)

JPOST.com: "THE REGION: PALESTINIAN SUICIDE STRATEGY" by Barry Rubin (Updated July 10, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (JPOST.com): "AKSA BRIGADES ANNOUNCES FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBER UNIT" (July 10, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "'PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS' IN A CULTURE OF DEATH" (July 2, 2006)

PMW.org.il - TV Archives - Video Library: "PA INDOCTRINATION OF CHILDREN TO SEEK HEROIC DEATH FOR ALLAH - SHAHADA"

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No.1162: "ARAB INTELLECTUALS PRAISE MARTYRDOM IN DISCUSSION ON SYRIAN TV" (May 12, 2006)

MEMRITV.org - Video Clips: "INCITING CHILDREN"

MEMRITV.org - Video Clip No. 1107 - Transcript: "PALESTINIAN FOREIGN MINISTER MAHMOUD AL-ZAHAR DEFENDS 'MARTYRDOM-SEEKING OPERATIONS'" (April 6, 2006)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No. 1111: Palestinian Legislative Council Member 'Umm Nidal' on Saudi Iqra TV: A Muslim Mother Should Raise Her Children for Jihad Interviewer Iqra TV Director-General Critical of Arab TV Channels That Don't Support Martyrdom Operations" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The following are excerpts from an interview with Palestinian Legislative Council member "Umm Nidal" Farhat, aired on Saudi Iqra TV, on February 19, 2006. TO VIEW THIS CLIP, VISIT: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1066" (March 10, 2006)

CNS NEWS.com: "HAMAS WEBSITE ENCOURAGES KIDS TO BECOME MARTYRS" by Julie Stahl (March 8, 2006)

PMW.org.il - TV Archives - Video Library: "PA INDOCTRINATION OF CHILDREN TO SEEK HEROIC DEATH FOR ALLAH - SHAHADA"

PMW.org.il: "'ASK FOR DEATH!' The Indoctrination of Palestinian Children to Seek Death for Allah - Shahada" by Itamar Marcus, Director, Palestinian Media Watch

PMW.org.il: "A SELF-PORTRAIT OF SUICIDE TERRORISTS" by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook (March 2, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (YNETNEWS): "THE DIRECTOR OF 'PARADISE NOW' WOULD BE A SUICIDE BOMBER" (March 3, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (JTA): "SUICIDE BOMBING ENDORSED IN KIDS BOOK RECOMMENDED BY CANADIAN LIBRARIES" (March 3, 2006)

JAMESTOWN.org - Terrorism Focus: "THE FOREIGN MAKEUP OF AFGHAN SUICIDE BOMBERS" by Omid Marzban (February 21, 2006) (Read More...)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series No. 1076: "RARE FOOTAGE OF SAUDI COMEDIAN & AL-MAJD TV EMPLOYEE-TURNED-SUICIDE BOMBER MUHAMMAD SHAZZAF AL-SHEHRI" (January 24, 2006)

"www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1004"

THE COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG: "FATHER OF SUICIDE BOMBING VICTIM: GOLDEN GLOBE TO 'PARADISE LOST' LEGITIMIZES TERRORISM" (January 23, 2006)

A Discussion on FREEREPUBLIC.com regarding a REUTERS article: "SUICIDE BOMBER FILM WINS HONOUR AT GOLDEN GLOBES" (January 16, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (SUNDAY MIRROR): "AL-QAEDA'S PLOT TO INFECT TROOPS WITH AIDS VIRUS" (January 9, 2006)

stepping back in time...NEW SCIENTIST.com:"SUICIDE BOMBERS MAY SPREAD DISEASE" (July 24, 2002)

EMS RESPONDER.com: "RECOGNIZING IMMINENT DANGER: CHARACTERISTICS OF A SUICIDE BOMBER" (Updated October 31, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org (GulfNews): "'THEY PROMISED US PARADISE THROUGH MARTYRDOM'" (December 22, 2005)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "SUICIDE KILLERS" by Jamie Glazov (December 12, 2005)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "CONVERTS TO TERROR" by Daniel Pipes (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Islamist terror organizations particularly prize converts. They know the local culture and blend in.") (December 6, 2005)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series No. 1032: "REFORMIST SAUDI AUTHOR: RELIGIOUS CASSETTES ADVOCATED JIHAD BY EMPHASIZING MARTYR'S SEXUAL REWARDS" (November 23, 2005)

FrontPageMagazine.com: "WHAT PARADISE?" by Pierre Rehov (November 16, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.US: "MR. SHAEED HAS A BAD DAY AT THE OFFICE" (November 1, 2005)

A discussion on FreeRepublic.com regarding The Jewish Journal article by Marc Ballon: "WHAT MAKES BOMBERS TICK IN 'PARADISE'?" (October 28, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AFP): "RESEARCHERS PROBE MOTIVES OF SUICIDE BOMBERS" (October 4, 2005)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No. 983: "COMMANDER OF HAMAS MILITARY WING WOMEN'S UNIT: 'Our Members Yearn for Martyrdom'" (September 9, 2005)

CORRIERE.IT/english: Turin - "TURIN IMAM DEPORTED -- "HE'S DANGEROUS" Accused of praising Bin Laden. Como-based Tunisian activist also expelled." (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The ten children taking part in the ring-o'-roses protest beneath the market clock in Porta Palazzo were all wearing suicide bomber belts. The year was 1997, and that was the first time Bouriqi Bouchta, whose idea it was, attracted Italy’s attention.") (September 7, 2005)

MEMRITV.org/Transcript - Video Clip No. 838 - 8/31/2005: " 8/31/2005 Clip No. 838: "Sheik of Al-Azhar Muhammad Tantawi Explains on Al-Hurra TV When a Suicide Bomber Becomes a Martyr and When He Is Not" (TRANSCRIPT SNIPPET: "Following are excerpts from an interview with Sheik of Al-Azhar Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, which aired on Al-Hurra TV on August 31, 2005")

MEMRI TV.org - Clip No. 843 - Transcript: "SAUDI IQRA TV RAISES MONEY FOR PALESTINIAN INTIFADA" (TRANSCRIPT SNIPPET: "Caption: The Saudi committee for support of the Al-Quds Intifada. Account number 98, a joint account in all Saudi banks.") (August 29, 2005)

FrontPageMagazine.com: "SYMPOSIUM: THROUGH THE EYES OF A SUICIDE BOMBER" by Jamie Glazov (August 12, 2005)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG: "INTERVIEW WITH PIERRE REHOV, DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER, ON PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND SUICIDE BOMBINGS" (July 27, 2005)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No. 909: "BAHRAINI AUTHOR AND JOURNALIST: THE PROPONENTS OF THE SUICIDE IDEOLOGY HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "In an article that appeared in the Saudi daily Al-Yawm, titled "The Globalization of Islamic Suicide" author and journalist Sawsan Al-Sha'er wrote that the extremist Islamist groups are taking advantage of global communications to recruit suicide bombers, and predicted the spread of the suicide bomber phenomenon to Britain as well.") (May 17, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org (DAWN): "MAJORITY OF SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE EDUCATED" (January 13, 2005)

FOX NEWS.com: "TICKET TO HELL" by David Asman (December 9, 2004)

MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Report - No.32: "MEMRI TV Project Special Report: Arab and Iranian TV Clips in Support of Suicide Bombing" (September 1, 2004)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "RATIONAL, EDUCATED AND PROSPEROUS: JUST YOUR AVERAGE SUICIDE BOMBER" (May 15, 2004)

SAAG.org - SOUTH ASIA ANALYSIS GROUP: "SUICIDE & SUICIDAL TERRORISM" by B. Raman (March 12, 2004)

JIHAD WATCH.org (HAARETZ): "10 SUICIDE BOMBINGS FOILED OVER PASSOVER HOLIDAY" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "One of two Tanzim activists caught at the end of March told interrogators the group that sent them had planned a series of other attacks, including one with a device to which blood infected with AIDS would be attached.") (April 13, 2004)
FrontPageMagazine.com: "AFFLUENT GENOCIDE" by Robert Spencer (October 14, 2003)

NEW SCIENTIST.com: "SUICIDE BOMBERS MAY SPREAD DISEASE" (July 24, 2002)

WTVT.com - FOX13 Investigative: "JIHAD FOR KIDS" (February 4, 2002)

"the reason there are suicide bombers"

1993 wasn't a suicide attack. The only attack against the US I remember in 1995 was Oklahoma City. It wasn't even carried out by Muslims and wasn't a suicide bomber either.

Actually the author has a lot of profound things to say and is becoming very influential on the subject of the origins of terrorism. It's high time that we started rethinking what were doing in Iraq and now in Afghanistan which is also turning sour.

Professor Pape says that the attack on the World Trade Center came because of our presence in the Arabian Peninsula, contrary to what some posters believe.

The suicide bombers have a well thought out plan. First is to divide the Muslim world from the West and then to break up the west. When America's isolated it can be attacked. Therefore our sacrifices in Iraq has done nothing to forestall an attack on the homeland. Such an attack has not occurred because it is not convenient for the enemy.

So far everything we are doing in the Iraq war plays into that plan and advances it. Nothing are doing there prevents an attack on our homeland. Those attacks will come in due course after America is diplomatically isolated.

He has not advised cutting and running but he wants to move a mobile force offshore on carriers ready to move into any area in the Middle East. He notes with approval our policy of establishing low-profile bases in Saudi Arabia which can be used to supply our troops as they enter a theater.

I suggest you take a look at this article which appears in the current issue of the American conservative the introduction to which is as follows:

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html

July 18, 2005 Issue

The Logic of Suicide Terrorism

It’s the occupation, not the fundamentalism

Last month, Scott McConnell caught up with Associate Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, whose book on suicide terrorism, Dying to Win, is beginning to receive wide notice. Pape has found that the most common American perceptions about who the terrorists are and what motivates them are off by a wide margin. In his office is the world’s largest database of information about suicide terrorists, rows and rows of manila folders containing articles and biographical snippets in dozens of languages compiled by Pape and teams of graduate students, a trove of data that has been sorted and analyzed and which underscores the great need for reappraising the Bush administration’s current strategy. Below are excerpts from a conversation with the man who knows more about suicide terrorists than any other American.

If the professor is claiming that the attacks on us are because of our presence on the soil of the Arabian Peninsula, beginning with the Gulf War in 1991, how does he explain the very first attack on America by Islamic radicals, the takeover of the American Embassy in Beirut in 1979?

Program is on again now. Pape has finished his presentation and now a panel discussion is on. Looks like it will last for about an hour and a half:
_________

Preble, Christopher A. Director, Cato Institute, Foreign Policy Studies
Priest, Dana Correspondent, [Washington Post], National Security
Pape, Robert A. Associate Professor, University of Chicago, Political Science
Kohut, Andrew President, Pew Research Center
Leverett, Flynt L. Senior Fellow, New America Foundation
Beers, Rand President, National Security Network

Robert Pape presented the findings of his most recent research, "Suicide Terrorism and Democracy: What We've Learned Since 9/11." He concluded that suicide terrorism continues to follow a strategic logic, and that suicide attackers are primarily motivated by resistance to occupation by a foreign power. Mr.Pape's talk was followed by a panel discussion of U.S. strategy in the war on terrorism.

Robert Pape is the author of the book Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism, published by Random House.

"Based on what I see on TV, "professors" are idiots."

With my eyes rolling, welcome to FreeRepublic.

I caught part of it. His logic -- get out of the Arab penisula and Jihad suicide attacks cease. He's nuts.