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Chestlessness -
DavidWarrenOnline via Western Standard - Canada ^ | August 30, 2006 | David Warren

Posted on 09/03/2006 9:59:52 AM PDT by UnklGene

Chestlessness -

August 30, 2006

The case of the two Fox News journalists, held hostage in Gaza, is worth dwelling upon. They were released after their captors had made tapes of them dressed as Arabs and announcing they had changed their names and converted to Islam.

Lately I have been looking at the large -- at how the West is proving unable to cope with a threat from a fanatical Islamic movement, that it ought to be able to snuff out with fair ease. (See my column last Sunday.) But the large is often most visible in the small.

The degree to which our starch is awash is exhibited in the behaviour of so many of our captives, but especially in these two. They were told to convert to Islam under implicit threat (blindfolded and hand-tied, they could not judge what threat), and agreed to make the propaganda broadcasts to guarantee their own safety. That much we can understand, as conventional cowardice. (Understand; not forgive.) But it is obvious from their later statements that they never thought twice; that they could see nothing wrong in serving the enemy, so long as it meant they’d be safe.

I assume they are not Christians (few journalists are), but had they ever been instructed in that faith, they might have grasped that conversion to Islam means denial of Christ, and that is something many millions of Christians (few of them intellectuals) have refused to do, even at the cost of excruciating deaths. Christianity still lives, because of such martyrs. Not suicide bombers: but truly defenceless martyrs.

You don’t necessarily have to be a Christian, to be Western. Two years ago, an heroic Italian captive, Fabrizio Quattrocchi, asked to make whimpering statements as part of the video of his execution in Iraq, ripped at his hood and instead declared, “This is how an Italian dies!” to his contemptible captors. He must have upset them: for they shot him instead of sawing off his head. In making his stand for human dignity, he also turned one of their propaganda videos, into one of ours.

But Quattrocchi had three friends, who all successfully begged for their lives. And the two Fox journalists, whom I will not stoop to name, begged for their lives even though, in retrospect, their lives probably weren’t in danger.

Why did Fatah bother to make the video? Didn’t they realize conversion under duress means nothing? That no one, East or West, would take it at face value?

They didn’t make it for face value. They made it to show the whole Muslim world, via satellite television, what wimps these Westerners are. That they’ll do anything at all to save their lives, that they don’t think twice about it. That is the substance of most Islamo-fascist propaganda: that the West consists of straw men, of men without chests, of men easily pushed over.

These two journalists were captured and held under nasty conditions by a branch of Fatah: the Palestinian party associated not with the “radical” Hamas, but with the supposedly “moderate” party of Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian National Authority. They were for use as chips in prisoner exchanges. They could be sold, or exchanged for other prisoners.

President Abbas could have had them sprung at a word, but did not do so at first, for he had nothing to lose by “playing with the crisis”. At no point, for instance, was he told he could either release the prisoners, or have his compound at Ramallah levelled. We don’t “overreact” in the West, the way we used to do -- we don’t like to put out little fires, we prefer to wait until they are big ones. And we prefer blaming ourselves to blaming the enemy, when the enemy lights the fire. We assume they only do it because we must have done something to annoy them.

Jean-François Revel: “Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.”

At the time Revel said this, the enemy power was Soviet Communism. The intellectuals, the smart journalists, the fashionable academics, the smug urbane of all descriptions, were hardly pro-Communist. They were more ironical than that, they were “anti-anti-Communist”. Today they are anti-anti-Islamo-fascist.

I created a scene with a column, many years ago, when I wrote about the young men in the corridors of the University of Montreal, who stood by and watched while Gamil Garbi (alias Marc Lépine) shot fourteen women to death. To a man (if you could call them men), they explained afterwards, “We couldn’t do anything, he had a gun.” As I pointed out at the time, we have bred young men who will stand by and watch a psychopath shoot defenceless women, so long as he assures them he will not shoot them. And we have bred the young women these young men deserve.

Men without chests, men without character, men who don’t think twice.

David Warren


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: armchairquarterbacks; centanni; davidwarren; dhimmi; dhimmitude; forcedconversion; fox; menwithoutchests; wiig
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To: goldstategop
goldstategop wrote: That's not the point. If you were threatened by imminent death, would you surrender all your beliefs, your human dignity and and your honor in the hope your captors will allow you to live? That my friend is NOT life - that is slavery, where another human being owns you. It is a kind of living death. Patrick Henry had a point where he spoke for the early American revolutionaries: "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death." Some things are worth dying for. But we live in a time, thanks to liberalism, where literally nothing is worth dying for and our enemies reveal the contempt they have for our lack of self-respect. Chestlessness indeed.

I don't fault Centanni and Wiig doing what they thought they had to do to save their lives, but I do fault them for not repudiating what they said in no uncertain terms at the first opportunity.

Centanni, at lest, needed to get back to the U.S. to do an at-length interview laying out in unambiguous terms the savagery of the Islamic fascists.

That he hasn't done so leads me to suspect he has sympathy for their cause.

41 posted on 09/03/2006 10:51:03 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: goldstategop

Well said!!!


42 posted on 09/03/2006 10:51:55 AM PDT by flipper999 (God is in control!)
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To: goldstategop

well said


43 posted on 09/03/2006 10:53:52 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: UnklGene
I think the terrorist groups are desperate to get any good news anywhere as they get their butts kicked by militarys everywhere.
So they kidnapped a couple of reporters. They didn't exactly come to battle any military head on with weapons or hand to hand combat.

IMO, the terrorist are just a bunch of girlie men who take great measures to not take on men head on.
44 posted on 09/03/2006 10:54:56 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: navyblue

well I am fuggen ready dude, sick of sitting around while they pick us apart, death by 1000 cuts.


45 posted on 09/03/2006 10:58:52 AM PDT by Kewlhand`tek (Those that can't , Teach. Those that can't teach , Report)
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To: Buck W.
I agree. Of course, these conversions were phony. I certainly would agree to go along with the charade rather than have my head cut off. How absurd that so many here believe these conversion were real. Some people are so embittered about their own life that they lash out and criticize everyone and everything.
46 posted on 09/03/2006 10:59:26 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: nuconvert
And, to the Islamist mind, a society with nothing to die for is already dead."

And who gives a big rat's a$$ what they think? We know the insanity that's in their heads and we know that they want to kill us all. That's all I need to know.

47 posted on 09/03/2006 11:00:52 AM PDT by navyblue (Semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: goldstategop
Bravo. Very well- spoken, goldstategop. If I'm ever in a position where lunatics like that demand I convert or die, I hope I'll show the courage and conviction that Quattrocchi showed.
48 posted on 09/03/2006 11:03:53 AM PDT by Chewie84
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To: UnklGene
They were put in funny costumes and had to say nonsensical things.

If I had to choose at gun point between being beheaded and a frat hazing, I'd choose the hazing.

49 posted on 09/03/2006 11:07:38 AM PDT by proust
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To: HairOfTheDog

The critics are forgetting Patton's maxim - the goal is not to die for your country, but to get the other bastard to die for his.


50 posted on 09/03/2006 11:10:20 AM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: dirtboy

Exactly :~)


51 posted on 09/03/2006 11:11:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Head On. Apply directly to the forehead!)
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To: UnklGene

C.S. Lewis suggests in “The Abolition of Man” that it is the chest or heart that makes us men:

“As the king governs by his executive, so Reason in man must rule the mere appetites by means of the “spirited element.” The head rules the belly through the chest-the seat, as Alanus tells us, of Magnanimity, of emotions organize by trained habit into stable sentiment. The Chest-Magnanimity-Sentiment-these are the indispensable liaison officers between cerebral man and visceral man. It may even be said that it is by this middle element that man is man; for by his intellect he is mere spirit and by his appetite mere animal.”

A contemporary elementary text-book that Lewis referred to as the “The Green Book”, and “its kind” were the tools by which men would be produced without chests:

“In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.”

But despite “The Green Book” and “its kind”, as then, there is a generation today that is rising up and is ready to confront the enemy at the gate. But will our politicians let them?


52 posted on 09/03/2006 11:12:06 AM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: balls
if nobody was willing to die for religious beliefs

It all depends on how you view eternity. Obviously for you, this life is all there is. I would rather hope for something better.

53 posted on 09/03/2006 11:22:27 AM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: ml/nj
I just hope this never scares a single journalist away from coming to Gaza to cover this story because the Palestinian people are a very beautiful, kind-hearted and caring people that the world need[s] to know more about.

I have to wonder if they would give such a broad generous statement if Centanni's brother's family members had been killed in a suicide attack or Wiig's wife held hostage and mistreated. They have no case to base this statement on. Their family members are safe and sound....despite the Wiig wife's self-proclaimed heroism.

54 posted on 09/03/2006 11:26:21 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: Buck W.

Unfortunately for those of us who are Christians, it really isn't a matter of who in the world is watching or what they see or think. Jesus didn't add any conditions, a denial before men is a denial before men. I can only pray that I would have the courage to deserve His grace.

Mt:10:33:
33 But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven. (DRV)


55 posted on 09/03/2006 11:52:41 AM PDT by 1Remnant
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To: balls
Chestless cowards? I disagree. Just imagine how much more peaceful the world would be if nobody was willing to die for religious beliefs.

It would not be one iota more peaceful. Those with evil in their hearts would hate you just as much for some other reason if religion was taken out of the equation. To think otherwise is soporific folly.

56 posted on 09/03/2006 11:54:04 AM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: dirtboy
to paraphrase Patton, having a willingness to make the other side die in very large quantities until they cannot and will not fight any longer.

Been missing since Korea. A wounded enemy is still an enemy.

57 posted on 09/03/2006 12:00:33 PM PDT by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: goldstategop

I cannot imagine how Peter felt after denying Jesus three times, but he was forgiven and allowed to bring the Gospel and his own testimony of forgiveness because of his momentary lack of faith. Would the world have been better off if he had not denied the Christ? It would seem God could still use Him for His glory.

Not knowing these two men's relationship with God, it's difficult to say what their very public and obviously forced conversion means in the grand scheme of things. Perhaps it's best left to the judgment of the One Who knows their hearts and how the rest of their time on Earth can be used for Him.


58 posted on 09/03/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: goldstategop

Men tread on worms.

I choose not be a worm.

Patric Henry bump.


59 posted on 09/03/2006 1:18:23 PM PDT by roaddog727 (Bullsh## doesn't get bridges built.)
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To: balls

I don't think that would help much; it would leave all those people willing to kill for their religious beliefs, and their non-religious beliefs for that matter. And no one willing to pull out all the stops to thwart them. Oh bother.


60 posted on 09/03/2006 1:20:16 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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