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Giant nests perplex experts
The Associated Press ^ | August 24, 2006 | Garry Mitchell

Posted on 08/24/2006 6:52:04 AM PDT by Sopater

MOBILE -- To the bafflement of insect experts, gigantic yellow jacket nests have started turning up in old barns, unoccupied houses, cars and underground cavities across the southern two-thirds of Alabama.

A yellow jacket nest engulfs the inside of a 1955 Chevrolet on Harry Coker's Tallassee property on Thursday. Gigantic yellow jacket nests have been found in old barns, unoccupied houses, cars and underground cavities across the southern two-thirds of Alabama.

-- Rob Carr

Specialists say it could be the result of a mild winter and drought conditions, or multiple queens forcing worker yellow jackets to enlarge their quarters so the queens will be in separate areas. But experts haven't determined exactly what's behind the surprisingly large nests.

Auburn University entomologists, who say they've never seen the nests so large, have been fielding calls about the huge nests from property owners from Dothan up to Sylacauga and over into west-central Alabama's Black Belt.

At one site in Barbour County, the nest was as large as a Volkswagen Beetle, said Andy McLean, an Orkin pesticide service manager in Dothan who helped remove it from an abandoned barn about a month ago.

"It was one of the largest ones we've seen," McLean said.

Attached to two walls and under the slab, the nest had to be removed in sections, McLean said.

Entomologist Dr. Charles Ray at the Alabama Cooperative Extension System in Auburn said he's aware of about 16 of what he described as "super-sized" nests in south Alabama.

Ray said he's seen 10 of them and cautioned people about going near them because of the yellow jacket's painful sting.

The largest nest Ray has inspected this year filled the interior of a weathered 1955 Chevrolet parked in a rural Elmore County barn. That nest was about the size of a tire in the rear floor seven weeks ago, but quickly spread to fill the entire vehicle, the property owner, Harry Coker, said. Four satellite nests around it have gotten into the eaves of the barn, about 300 yards from his home.

"I'm kind of afraid for the grandkids. I had to sneak down there at dark and get my tractor out of the barn," Coker said. "It's been a disruption."

Coker said he may wait until a winter freeze to try to remove the nest.

In previous years, a yellow jacket nest was no larger than a basketball, Ray said. It would contain about 3,000 workers and one queen. These gigantic nests may have as many as 100,000 workers and multiple queens.

Without a cold winter to kill them this year, the yellow jackets continued feeding in January and February -- and layering their nests made of paper, not wax. They typically are built in shallow underground cavities.

Yellow jackets, often confused with bees, may visit flowers for sugar, but unlike bees, yellow jackets are carnivorous, eating insects, carrion and picnic food, according to scientists. "They were able to find food to colony through the winter," Ray said in a telephone interview.

He investigated a nest near Pineapple, measuring about 5 feet by 4 feet, that was coming out of the ground on a roadside. A southwest Pike County house in Goshen had a giant nest spreading into its roof.

Goshen Mayor G. Malon Johnson said he consulted Ray in removing it because he was concerned that children playing nearby could be attacked.

A colony has a maximum size in early July and August. The hot, dry conditions could force the yellow jackets out of ground nests.

"Normally it starts declining in the fall," Ray said.

He said the "super colonies" appear to have many queens.

"We're not really sure how this multiple queen thing works," Ray said. "It could be that the daughters of the original queen don't leave the nest or that the queens have developed some way to cooperate."

Ray examined a collected nest from Macon County to count the queens in it.

"We found 12 queens so far, so that's definitely a factor," Ray said Thursday.

Dr. Michael D. Goodisman, a biologist at Georgia Tech who has studied large nests in Australia, said he's heard of some large ones in Georgia and Florida, but not as big as those in Alabama.A 6-foot by 3-foot nest on a pond stump in Bulloch County, Ga., was featured July 12 on CNN.

"I'm not sure people know what triggers it," he said.

U.S. Department of Agriculture entomologist James H. Cane said he's familiar with a nest in Florida 10 or 15 years ago that engulfed a big easy chair. Cane said the monster nests reported in Alabama are intriguing and agreed with Ray that they could be the product of multiple queens in a single nest.

The nest usually dies out each year. "All that overwinters is the future queen," he said.

Given a queen's egg-laying rate, he said, there's no way a nest with a single queen could get that big in a growing season.

But in a multiple-queen colony, Cane said, there must be space where queens can't get at each other.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: entomology; insects; waspnests; wasps; yellowjackets
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Yikes, I hate Yellow Jackets...
1 posted on 08/24/2006 6:52:06 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Not something you want to hit with the lawnmower.


2 posted on 08/24/2006 6:53:55 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: Arm_Bears

"space where queens can't get at each other"

The final frontier for gay yellow jackets?


3 posted on 08/24/2006 6:56:15 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell them." Louis Armstrong)
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To: Sopater

There have been many reports of very large wasps' nests in the past. That these exspurts aren't aware doesn't make their reports more credible.

There are current reports of fire ants building colonies with multiple queens and extensive nest systems.


4 posted on 08/24/2006 6:57:41 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Sopater

Seems to me a fire solves many of them, but the underground ones... How about a huge container of pressurized FREON and a large hose?


5 posted on 08/24/2006 6:59:14 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Sopater

6 posted on 08/24/2006 7:00:47 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Sopater

It's that incest, I tell ya! They can't smell a stranger anymore, so they don't keep the hive to a natural size.


7 posted on 08/24/2006 7:01:06 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: pageonetoo

Was Rodan an insectivore?


8 posted on 08/24/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Sopater

Nature has a way of evening things out:

"The icecap may not be the only thing shrinking in the Arctic. The genitals of polar bears in east Greenland are apparently dwindling in size due to industrial pollutants. "

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689212/posts


9 posted on 08/24/2006 7:02:09 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Sopater
We've got a Yellow Jacket nest the size of basketball in our crawl space - between the floor joists. But its an old 'dead' nest built by the critters before the new siding and insulation went up.

Every winter I vow to get rid of it but keep forgetting. Then when nice weather comes, I don't want to get near it - even though it's 'dead'.

10 posted on 08/24/2006 7:04:55 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Sopater

"I say we take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."


11 posted on 08/24/2006 7:05:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ( “I'm the Emperor, and I want dumplings!” (German: Ich bin der Kaiser und will Knödel.))
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"I'm kind of afraid for the grandkids. I had to sneak down there at dark and get my tractor out of the barn," Coker said. "It's been a disruption."

He never heard of diazinon or malathion or seven or temik or parathion?

12 posted on 08/24/2006 7:05:16 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Graymatter

......They can't smell a stranger anymore.....

My thought was that there is a colonial condophenomenon. The huge nests are actually condos where multiple colonies share some common walls.

They have been watching too much H&G


13 posted on 08/24/2006 7:05:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Keep watch for the Mahdi...... he's coming on 22 August!!)
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He never heard of diazinon or malathion or seven or temik or parathion?

Depending on the regs down there, he tries to use any of that stuff and the authorities may end up being bigger pests than the yellow jackets...

14 posted on 08/24/2006 7:08:33 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: theDentist
Some wasp and hornet spray down the hole, and then block the entrance seemed to work well.

You might want to do something about their food supplies, as well. Our neighbors haven't been putting up the humming bird feeder, and we haven't had as big a problem this year.

15 posted on 08/24/2006 7:09:31 AM PDT by magslinger (If at first you don't succeed, squeeze, squeeze again.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"I say we take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

LOL - that was my first thought too - it looks like something from Alien.
16 posted on 08/24/2006 7:09:36 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Get off my lawn!)
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To: Sopater

Just killed a Yellow Jacket nest a couple of days ago. In the ground. They got into a hole that started as a removed weed. Got all but three. They must've been out on patrol.


17 posted on 08/24/2006 7:10:54 AM PDT by Rate_Determining_Step (US Military - Draining the Swamp of Terrorism since 2001!)
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To: Sopater

I'd rather bee stung by a yellow-jacket than a red wasp anyday!...........


18 posted on 08/24/2006 7:11:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: mewzilla

It's a farm - you can use just about anything on a farm.


19 posted on 08/24/2006 7:13:37 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Sopater

20 posted on 08/24/2006 7:14:23 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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