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What Say Ye FR? Should a woman be allowed to teach Scripture to men?
Herald Sun ^ | 8-21-06 | n/a

Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J

In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.

Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."

This news was posted on FR here and here.

It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.

What is your opinion?


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To: Bob J

No.


461 posted on 08/22/2006 10:51:02 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: MineralMan

My perspective is that pastor-teacher is a gift from the Holy Spirit, just as some may have a gift of helps, or of administration, or discernment, or evangelicism. These being spiritual gifts from God, through the person of the Holy Spirit, given to each and every believer per God's plan and Providence.

Some have one gift and not another, others may have several, and those with more have more responsibility to use those gifts.

Many of the questions regarding women in ecuminical church offices, seems to be driven more by a worldly thinking, rather than simply walking in the Spirit.

I see passages where women indeed have equal spiritual status, but not necessarily the same or equal gift as men. I see where women may have organized bodies of believers, or helped in administering a church or financing its operation, but not the teaching and pastoring of a flock by faith and action of the Holy Spirit through them as an agent of God.

As I understand it, it is analogous to insisting men cannot go into labor and give childbirth. One might simply state that through faith in Christ, but there is no need to become worldly and arrogant and frustrated, thinking that such a belief reflects an inherant bigotry and animosity towards women.


462 posted on 08/22/2006 11:01:52 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: spunkets
So you take upon yourself the authority to just remove a word ("not" 1 Timothy 2:14)from the Scriptures (the same tactic the Devil used in his temptations of our Saviour -- Matthew 4; Luke 4), so that you can "apply" things the way you want to "apply" them, and that after stating that you believe Gen. 3 is a merely parable, and Paul's writings are irrelevant to our day. So you really have no authority for any argument.

Have you ever known young people enter some kinds of mischievous behavior on a deception (they might not have if they were not somehow under a seeming spell of a "con man," while others enter the same mischief fully informed and diving in headlong? Do you not know the difference?

Eve was deceived by the arch con, the Serpent, the Devil. Her head, Adam, after seeing the evidence of the fall of his bride, fully aware of the manner of deception that brought it about, chose, WITHOUT being deceived, to DIE FOR HIS BRIDE. Thus he is called the "first Adam," and Christ, who DIED FOR HIS BRIDE, without being deceived, but willingly giving up His life, is called "the last Adam" (1 cor. ch. 15). The "first Adam," in this respect, was a type/picture of the "last Adam." The "last Adam," Jesus Christ, fulfilled that typology by dying for His Bride...willingly...with pre-meditation. These explanations won't help you, because you don't believe the whole Bible, anyway, but they will help some other who is reading them.
463 posted on 08/22/2006 11:02:31 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: ReformedBeckite
As far as women studying the Bible at home, that's Ok but I sure don't want someone like you teaching me at Church what the Bible says.

If you don't want women teaching Sunday School (or Bible Study) to adults in your church, volunteer to do it yourself, otherwise don't criticise the women who have been called upon to step up to the plate because the men are too "busy" to do so.

I actually agree with you (I think). Women should teach women and men should teach men. That's the ideal. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Christian men and so-called Christian men who have abdicated their duty in this regard.

464 posted on 08/22/2006 11:05:26 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: preacher

Sharia isn't just for muzzies anymore, apparently.


465 posted on 08/22/2006 11:08:18 AM PDT by x_plus_one (No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American Public)
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To: drsbb

Then the church leaders should not have made Timothy an issue. They made their bed and now they will sleep in it.


466 posted on 08/22/2006 11:11:32 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Tamar1973

"Women should teach women and men should teach men."

They could do it in the bathrooms and then there would be no need to build new facilities.


467 posted on 08/22/2006 11:13:26 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: spunkets
The dictionary definition of deception applies too both Adam and Eve as I pointed out.

The bible itself specifically says that Adam was not decieved but it sounds like you have more fun twisting the Bible than reading it.

468 posted on 08/22/2006 11:13:46 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Cvengr

Different denominations of Christianity treat the subject of women as priests and pastors differently. I guess it is their right to do as they please or as their doctrine dictates.

As a non-Christian, I have no firm opinion on the subject. I have known women who acted as pastors and have found them to be as knowledgeable as most of the male ministers I have met.

It's a matter of denominational decision.


469 posted on 08/22/2006 11:16:51 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Bob J
It seems scripture is clear on this issue, not "women shall not teach men unless..."

So, in your opinion, if there are no men willing to teach, there should be no teaching at all. That's a recipie for the dumbing down of the church if I ever saw one.

Have you forgotten that Scripture tells us that Priscilla and Aquila taught Apollo the gospel of Jesus? The fact that Priscilla is mentioned first tells us she probably was the main teacher. If you have a problem with women ever teaching for any reason, you have a problem with scripture.

470 posted on 08/22/2006 11:18:46 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Bob J
They could do it in the bathrooms and then there would be no need to build new facilities.

At first I really LOL at this one but then realised that it would be very disrespectful to carry on a bible study while men are using the urinals or while women are flushing.

471 posted on 08/22/2006 11:21:52 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: Bob J

It's not up to me to decide, it's up to me to do as God says. We need to spend our time finding out what God wants, not what we want. That being said....

My understanding is that Paul was telling Timothy how to conduct himself in the Church (1 Timothy 3:15). This teaching that Paul gave him concerning women is in the context of the first 3 chapters of 1 Timothy. Those 3 chapters deal with qualifications for men (and their wives) to hold offices or positions in the church.

In Chapter 4, he deals with how Timothy, a young preacher, is to conduct himself.

The teaching in the 2nd chapter of 1 Timothy deals with women teaching men in the context of the Church affairs.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.


1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

If this meant that a woman was to NEVER teach a man, then how could an believing wife teach her unbelieving husband or boyfriend?

I believe that a careful study of the scriptures will indicate that this is referring only to matters when the church is gathered together.


472 posted on 08/22/2006 11:22:23 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: Quix
Should a woman be allowed to teach Scripture to men?

Absolutely! Paul was one Rabbi sent to the Goyim, and from the replies I've seen he didn't do a very good job teaching them. A woman couldn't do any worse.

473 posted on 08/22/2006 12:11:49 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Alef Male)
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To: Jeremiah Jr
Paul was one Rabbi sent to the Goyim, and from the replies I've seen he didn't do a very good job teaching them.

Are you calling all Christian's Goyim?

474 posted on 08/22/2006 12:16:16 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert
Followers of Yeshua observe Passover.

Followers of Jesus dye Ishtar eggs and hide them in the woods.

Followers of Yeshua observe Chanukah.

Followers of Jesus prop up ancient Babylonian holiday trees in their living rooms (Jeremiah 10). You figure it out.

475 posted on 08/22/2006 12:21:58 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Alef Male)
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To: Tamar1973

"So, in your opinion, if there are no men willing to teach, there should be no teaching at all. That's a recipie for the dumbing down of the church if I ever saw one."

That's not my opinion, it seems to be God's.

"Have you forgotten that Scripture tells us that Priscilla and Aquila taught Apollo the gospel of Jesus? The fact that Priscilla is mentioned first tells us she probably was the main teacher."

Are Priscilla and Aquila then going to hell for teaching scripture to Jesus?

"If you have a problem with women ever teaching for any reason, you have a problem with scripture."

I have no problem with women teaching anything they are qualified to teach. That includes scripture. But you are avoiding my point. The Bible makes it clear women are not to to teach men about scripture. It makes no exceptions, why are exceptions being allowed due to convenience or even necessity?


476 posted on 08/22/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Jeremiah Jr
You figure it out.

Hmm...

Are you mocker, who deliberately slings epithets and insults in an attempt to stir up dissent?

477 posted on 08/22/2006 12:30:23 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: Bryan24

"If this meant that a woman was to NEVER teach a man, then how could an believing wife teach her unbelieving husband or boyfriend?"

By referring them to the nearest teacher with testicles.

"I believe that a careful study of the scriptures will indicate that this is referring only to matters when the church is gathered together."

Interpretation is a dangerous thing. Why not just take God at his word?


478 posted on 08/22/2006 12:32:09 PM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: ladyinred

I have a friend who is Methodist. Her pastor is divorced and remarried.


479 posted on 08/22/2006 12:35:05 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Quix

Of course, in Biblical history there were women that rose up and led, with the full calling of God.


480 posted on 08/22/2006 12:38:50 PM PDT by jeremiah (Didn't we vote for that Bush fella, because he was TOUGH on TERROR?)
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