Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J
In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.
Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
This news was posted on FR here and here.
It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.
What is your opinion?
Just forget it.
There is a difference between the spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher and that of witnessing. Many apply a soulish or rationalistic worldly perception of teaching rather than discerning from the spirit, while in fellowship with Him.
Who are you to interpret scripture? Protestantism naturally begets toleration of error. Rejecting the principle of authority in religion, it has neither criterion nor definition of faith. On the principle that every individual or sect may interpret the deposit of Revelation according to the dictates of private judgment, it gives birth to endless differences and contradictions.
Paul had established churches all over the place...And these established churches obviously had missionary programs just as thousands of churches have today...
But you are right...Catholics and non Catholics have a different view of this and it won't be resolved to the satisfaction of both...
A distinction between "missionary mode" and "established congregation" is not one I can find in the bible, and frankly sounds like an excuse to ignore certain less comfortable passages in the New Testament. The Church is in a continual missionary mode until Jesus comes again, and the resurrection of all the dead. To be continually sharing the good news of Jesus, and expanding the Church, seems like a really nice place to be "stuck" in, thank you.
The 2nd coming and the resurrection too are the historic beliefs of the Church rejected by moderns...seeking to make Christianity more paletable to contemporary society. When you pick and choose which scriptures to believe no telling where you'll end up. I think if you told your average liberal scholar of 75 years ago churches would now be ordaining sexual deviants in leadership they wouldn't have believed it...such is what happens when the authority of God's word is eviserated.
IMO, no.
I'd be willing to bet she'd a mite more pious than you, but maybe I'm biased.
The pastor she has is a great guy. No one in the congregation she's currently the pastor of has any issue with it and the church in Cleveland Tennessee didn't care much either.
So long as they stick to teaching the bible, I don't care.
They know much more about the bible than 99.999% of us do in the first place.
No as far as being the Pastor. O:K for Sunday School as that is not being the Preacher or Pastor or Shepherd.
That means Adam heard the serpent also, because he was right there with Eve. He heard the same thing from Gen 3:5, "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." So he too was decieved.
2 Chronicles 30 and Hezekiah show us how the Lord wants to be worshipped.
I do not disagree that each believer has equl stance as priest before God through faith in Christ. We also have equal opportunity to advance for our predetermined rewards, but some are the hands, and some are the feet, we do not all have the same gifts.
Paul himself, was greatly mistaken on his gifts. He though he was the apostle to the Jews and sought on every occasion to travel there. God however had him slated to be the apostle to the Gentiles, and even when Paul attempted to travel elsewhere, God redirected his path, even if by shipwreck and imprisonment to take him to witness in the heart of the Gentile empires. Our spiritual gifts might not be known to us or even experienced by us, but they nevertheless exist for believers according to His plan.
Submit is a very nasty word in my world.
Do you drive the speed limit? If yes, you submit. If no, then you submit when the cop pulls you over. Pay your taxes? Did you attend a school? Take any classes? Do you work for someone? Have customers?
All those are examples of submission without which society could not function. Anyone who claims never to submit a) has no idea what they are talking about or b) is a liar.
Not really... Proclaiming the good news is always the same.
Furthermore, there's many instances in the New Testament where women served as leaders of individual churches. Paul's missionary women had many female deaconesses/ house church leaders (Prisca, Lydia, Phoebe, etc..), and Luke's Gospel makes it clear that women financed the Jesus' ministry.
I used to keep a list of Freeper names of people like the Neanderthals next to my keyboard and have a feeling that it is time to start it back up! :)
LOL! LOL! LOL!
The good ole days....
Lazy?
From several threads tonight I think we have gone back in time before FR even started! :)
There's a distinction in 1 Corinthians, when discussing speaking in tongues and some find a similar point of distinction when Paul speaks of those who are still in need of milk, rather than ready for meat.
Personally, I think we all need to hear the Gospel over and over, even those of us in Christ. But, I've read preachers who were pretty adamant about separating the 2.
The Good News is the life, death and resurrection of the Messiah, the Son of God, as the Father's way of reconciling us to Him.
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