Posted on 08/21/2006 5:51:49 PM PDT by Bob J
In earlier news it was reported that a Baptist Sunday school teacher of 54 years was let go from her position because "My belief is that the qualifications for both men and women teaching spiritual matters in a church setting end at the church door, period," the Pastor was quoted as saying.
Apparently in a letter sent to the teacher earlier in the month they qouted from First Timothy Two, 11-14 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent."
This news was posted on FR here and here.
It's an interesting topic considering the current discussions regarding Sharia law and the treatment of women in Islam. Some FReepers were shocked and others appeared to support the policy based on scripture interpretation.
What is your opinion?
Then why did God choose Deborah to be Judge over Israel? Wouldn't her husband, Lappidoth, have been a better choice?
I guess God really messed up when he allowed a woman to be the first to discover that Jesus had risen from the grave.
I never realized this was an issue.
By Jesus' time Christians are being enjoined to use a Crucifix as a sign, much as Moses used the snake.
So, using the snake metaphor what is it that the Garden of Eden story supposed to be telling us?
Well, Fur Shur, one thing is that we are to use the Garden Of Eden memory palace technique to learn all the associated oral traditions that go with this part. This even has the details on how to set it up in your mind. We get a different injunction later on with Noah's Ark. There the plants are not so important, so we have to work with the animals in stalls and cages.
Even the genealogies (strings of "begats") have a similar purpose although I think that in their time the users would have readily hung tribal titles and structures on each of the progeniturs named there.
Paul is entitled to his thoughts on the matter, but they are clearly his thoughts as he reviews the Scriptures ~ hardly divine revelations.
Forget about what Muslims think.
On this case, the Bible says no.
Excellent point, and one that's probably discoverable in more than one rabinnical commentary.
So God absolutely cannot work through a woman when she's teaching a man? Never, under any circumstances?
And you actually believe that God only works when men teach other men and women?
This is bizarre.
It is clear in the Bible that women are not to have leadership positions in the church, and in the home. It is very specific about the man being the "decider". However, the Bible also tells men to respect their wives.
For this specific question on whether this applies to teachers is up to individual denominations, and indeed, individual churches within denominations. I'll ask God later who is correct, because I certainly don't know.
To me, this seemed like a crappy thing to do to this lady, but it is up to her now to accept it or find another church.
I don't see why women cannot teach underage boys. But for mixed adult classes, men should teach.
If a Church isn't strong enough to have enough male teachers, then they have worse problems to deal with.
Yes they do.
Discipline, order, learning and courtesy in those classrooms. But maybe I just remember writing that phrase 5000 times or so. In cursive. On yellow lined paper...
Since experience and a history of rejection tells us that a nagging, berating female is called an unsavorable canine character, then any woman teaching should avoid such sterotypes.
I won't tolerate a canine style.
Quite the contrary.
I am with you on this one.
If you don't like the Bible, you don't have to be a Christian.
She ain't teaching in a formal setting is she? That's against scripture. Not teaching male children in Sunday school.
Besides, there's more to the article than just that. The article stated that the pastor and she didn't agree on the direction of the church and the board, whoever they are, just used that scripture as an excuse to get rid of her, so they were the deceitful, if you ask me.
We had some in our neighborhood. They'd tell kids on the playground "if'n ye don' tek op the serpents, ye'll all be goin' to Hell".
They also did the trick with drinking poisons.
The term "snakehandlers" is not simply metaphorical ~ they are a definable religious minority group.
Galatians 3: 25 - 29
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If Paul says that Jesus does not see us in terms of male or female, then I don't see where your argument is supported. Many of the house Churches Paul established and worked through were held in the homes of Women.
What Paul was referring to when you say "shall not teach" and "must remain quiet" was proper behavior for the Synagogues that early believers worshipped at.
Add me to the list,
but such thinking isn't new to me.
These threads make me feel good in a 'I know I made the right decision' kinda way.
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