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Crucial steps in investigation of Karr didn't get under way until after arrest
Contra Costa Times ^ | 8/19/06 | Kirk Mitchell

Posted on 08/19/2006 11:03:11 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

Crucial steps in investigation of Karr didn't get under way until after arrest D.A. in Boulder, Colo., did not request DNA or handwriting samples until after suspect in killing of JonBenét was detained By Kirk Mitchell MEDIANEWS

Basic steps in the investigation that could tie John Mark Karr to the 1996 killing of JonBenét Ramsey did not begin in earnest until after his arrest in Thailand on Wednesday, a Denver Post investigation has revealed.

Although the Boulder, Colo., District Attorney's Office had enough evidence to obtain an arrest warrant for Karr for first-degree murder, it was only after the warrant was issued that investigators started asking questions that would form the basis of a successful homicide prosecution, experts say.

For example, it was not until Wednesday morning, after Karr was in Thai custody, that a representative of Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy's office called Hamilton County, Ala., schools to seek a handwriting sample of Karr for comparison to the ransom note left by JonBenét's killer.

Similarly, Lacy's office still has not contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to compare anything from Karr -- DNA, handwriting, a palm print, footprint or even shoe size -- to the evidence found at the scene of the killing.

Nor did the D.A.'s office consult with education officials in Colorado or California to see whether they could track Karr's teaching history.

Karr's ex-wife and children also were not contacted to see whether they could provide an alibi for Karr's whereabouts at the time of JonBenét's slaying. Karr's former wife told a San Francisco television station that she is sure he spent Christmas 1996 with her and the family. JonBenét was killed the day after Christmas that year.

Likewise, the spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, which has had a fugitive warrant since 2001 seeking Karr's arrest on five counts of misdemeanor possession of child pornography, said the department was unaware of Karr's connection to the Ramsey case until after he was in Thai custody.

At a news conference Thursday, Lacy indicated that "exigent circumstances" forced the arrest of Karr to occur before she would have preferred. She did not disclose any of the evidence she has that could tie Karr to the crime. She added that an investigator from her office was dispatched to Bangkok on just a few hours' notice before Karr was picked up at Boulder's request.

Lacy's spokeswoman, Carolyn French, reiterated Friday that public safety and fear of flight generally drive decisions on when to arrest someone.

"Karr began his employment as a second-grade teacher in a Bangkok international school on Tuesday of this week," Lacy said at her Thursday news conference.

But former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman raised questions about the handling of the case.

"You must conclude either Mary Lacy has solid, conclusive evidence or this is massive prosecutorial incompetence," Silverman said.

He said the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office could have been notified by Boulder that Karr was in Thailand, and then could have used the California warrant to seek Karr's detention there. Or the Justice Department could have been asked to issue a warrant charging Karr with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, Silverman said.

While California or federal officials had him in their custody, evidentiary tests could have been performed that would corroborate Boulder's case against Karr or exclude him, Silverman said. That way the public -- and potential jurors -- would never have known that a suspect was being tracked in the JonBenét case until prosecutors had it nailed down.

There was substantial evidence at the JonBenét killing scene that is available for comparison to any suspect, officials say.

Law-enforcement sources have previously confirmed that the girl was found with "foreign" DNA under her fingernails. The DNA reportedly did not match genetic material collected from dozens of Ramsey family members and friends. There was also DNA in her underwear.

CBI spokesman Lance Clem said experts there processed 3,000 pieces of evidence including DNA and 150 handwriting samples in the Ramsey case.

The office has been asked numerous times to process new evidence in the Ramsey case, but the last time CBI criminalists processed any of the evidence was in June 2005, Clem said.

Bravill Jackson, the school superintendent in Hamilton where Karr briefly was a substitute teacher, answered a request Wednesday from the Boulder D.A.'s office and faxed a copy of a letter Karr wrote to the district in 1996 when he was fired from the school.

Silverman said the D.A.'s office could have requested the letter earlier. The ransom letter is critical to solving the case, he said. If Karr's writing is not a match, it would be compelling evidence that could exclude him, he said.

"Why create this hubbub when you could conduct all the corroborating tests while he is in someone else's custody?" Silverman asked.

French said she could not comment on whether Boulder asked Sonoma County authorities to have Karr detained.

Bryan Cunningham, a Denver attorney who prosecuted international drug cases as a federal prosecutor and extradited drug kingpins to the United States, said no prosecutor who has probable cause to prove a case would ask a foreign government to expel a fugitive on a misdemeanor offense.

"It's not a trivial matter to get another government to arrest and hold someone," Cunningham said.

Treaties with different countries may not even allow an extradition on such a minor case as the misdemeanor pornography charges, he said.

Christopher Mueller, who teaches evidence law at the University of Colorado Law School, said he believes Lacy has strong evidence in the case -- either physical evidence connecting Karr to JonBenét's killing or Karr's descriptions of elements of the crime only the killer would know.

"There is a lot of trouble they are going through and I don't believe they would be doing it on a lark," Mueller said.

In an ideal world, all loose ends, including a DNA test and handwriting comparisons, would be done before an arrest, but if the D.A. has legitimate worries that a suspect will flee or molest more children, that would be a good reason to file charges first, he said.

And if DNA tests show that Karr was present in the Ramsey home, it likely will not matter to anyone whether the bulk of the investigative work took place before or after a warrant was issued for his arrest.

"I think it is too early to know if the D.A. has done something precipitous," Mueller said.


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To: Paladin2

Sounds like Ward Churchill was running the investigation!


21 posted on 08/19/2006 11:43:10 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Warren_Piece

I had heard little pieces of the March story. The guy was a slimeball, her parents heroes in my eyes. Glad to hear he was convicted.


22 posted on 08/19/2006 11:44:22 AM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: drjulie

Could be that Cunningham (in article) is right, ie. that arranging detention/extradition on a child porn charge was not do-able, but basing it on a murder charge would guarantee the desired result.


23 posted on 08/19/2006 11:50:40 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: stm

You gotta give this guy credit. He has stones of ice.

He got the US Government to get him out of Taiwain and let himself be incarcarated (a little) to pull the scheme off.

He already knows he won't be prosecuted, "confession" be hanged.


24 posted on 08/19/2006 11:52:23 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (I LIKE you! When I am Ruler of Earth, yours will be a quick and painless death)
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To: gopwinsin04
On the one hand, I am happy about the Thai aspects of this case. Notably they are that this slime-ball is somewhere that he cannot hurt children, the Thai schools are likely to check backgrounds of foreign teachers who often end up they due to problems back home (some have innocent motives but historically, some do not -- often drug problems), and that pressure is being put on Thai authorities to crack down on "influential persons" behind child sex tourism (not that it will work but every bit of pressure helps).

On the other hand, I hate to see a circus atmosphere in the USA over such a serious problem.

25 posted on 08/19/2006 11:52:29 AM PDT by JimSEA ( "The purpose of diplomacy is to prolong a crisis." Spock)
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To: Bonaparte

Could be - and perhaps they were fearful of him fleeing or hurting another child. It just seems like, given all this time, they could have established a few facts that would have at least made it possible for him to have been responsible. I guess we'll know soon. My initial impression from hearing him is that he is a pedophile who may fantasize about the death of young girls - thus the obsessions with the various cases. We know he didn't kill the Klaas girl. There are a lot of unanswered questions, that's for sure (was he there, how he got in the house, how he got out, the ransom note, etc.).


26 posted on 08/19/2006 12:01:58 PM PDT by drjulie
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To: gopwinsin04
If she didn't know he was in to child porn etc., She could has assumed he was at work etc. during the time period, while he was out doing dastardly deeds.

What did he do for a living? He certainly didn't make enough as a sub teacher to support a family with three young children. Was he selling child porn? Lots of questions still not answered.
27 posted on 08/19/2006 12:29:01 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: drjulie

Yes, there are lots of unanswered questions. Here's one of them -- why would his ex-wife tell the media that he couldn't have committed the murder because he was with her in far-away Alabama at the time? I can't say for sure, but my best guess is that she said this because it's true. She divorced him when she discovered his pedophilia. I don't think they exchange Christmas cards and I doubt she would lie to give him an alibi.


28 posted on 08/19/2006 1:11:27 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: hoosiermama

If it gets to trial, it's sure going to be interesting. He's likely to have excellent counsel. A defense lawyer can't buy advertising this good.


29 posted on 08/19/2006 1:17:12 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: gopwinsin04
...but he was still a fugiitive.

From Friday, August 18, 2006 (SF Chronicle) DOUBTS ABOUT HIS STORY/SUSPECT'S PAST: His work with children drew complaints from their parents:

But in March, [2001]detectives for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department were tipped to e-mails that Karr had sent, according to court documents. "The e-mails concerned children, and deputies were concerned because of (Karr's) employment as a teacher," according to the records.

In an interview in April, Karr told Napa County sheriff's Detective Martin Frey that he was writing a book about Richard Allen Davis and that he had a copy of Polly Klaas' death certificate and a letter from Davis at his house. Karr encouraged Frey to go and see the documents.

When detectives arrived at the home, they found images of child pornography on Karr's computer. He was arrested a few days later and charged with five counts of possession of child pornography.

Karr, who had been held on $100,000 bail, was released from jail on his own recognizance on Oct. 5, 2001. He was ordered to remain in close contact with a probation officer and to stay away from "parks, schools, day care centers, swimming pools, beaches, theaters, arcades or other places where children congregate," according to court records.

When he failed to appear at a scheduled court date, a warrant was issued for his arrest on Dec. 13.

That was when he fled to Europe, Central America, and Asia, to "teach" and work as a "nanny/tutor". There was no need to to do "basic investigative work" on his involvement over there; he confessed over there, and needed to be brought back any way. This way, the CO people get their mitts on him, and investigate, rather than risk having CA toss him free again.

30 posted on 08/19/2006 1:25:22 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Bonaparte
re: why would his ex-wife tell the media that he couldn't have committed the murder because he was with her in far-away Alabama at the time?

Well, she could be doing it to protect her children. She has 3 boys who are better off not thinking that they are the children of a pedophile and murderer of one of the highest profile murders in recent history.
31 posted on 08/19/2006 2:32:23 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: gopwinsin04

For one thing, they didn't even know his name until they followed him to a PO Box in Bangkok on Wednesday!

This all originated from "Prof" Tracey's "alarm" over an email "Daxis" (JohnMarkKarr) sent him. "Daxis" told him he had a new 21-speed bike and was living in Bangkok. Tracey told him he was sending him something by snail mail and Karr gave him a PO Box number.

Boulder DA investigators rented a room at his fleabag hotel 3 weeks ago (we have to assume he also told Tracey about "The Blooms," so the LEOs could go there) and tailed "Daxis"'s-- or somebody's - comings and goings.

Finally, the Blooms guy jumped on his 21-speed and went to that PO Box to pick up the whateverm addressed to Daxis, sent from Tracey in Boulder - and they nailed him. We assume it was then that they learned his real name and could do the other background checks.


32 posted on 08/19/2006 3:17:14 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: All

"whateverm" = "whatever,"


33 posted on 08/19/2006 3:19:01 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Very interesting....And all this time I thought they located him through the computer/email.

Again. Where was he getting his money? 21 speed bikes are NOT free. What did he do beside "teach"? He certainly didn't have any teaching job long enough to pay bills/travel around the world.


34 posted on 08/19/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

I have no idea - I'm really waiting to hear that part of it. Certainly wasn't money from family, who hadn't heard from him since 2001.

He seems - never mind, not gonna speculate. Hate giving this guy so much attention. Let's just say, he may have been living off "the kindness of strangers."


35 posted on 08/19/2006 3:43:29 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

unbelieveable


36 posted on 08/19/2006 4:09:44 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

What is the problem in Boulder? It is really troubling to say the least.


37 posted on 08/19/2006 4:12:04 PM PDT by ladyinred (Thank God the Brits don't have a New York Times!)
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To: hoosiermama
Where was he getting his money? 21 speed bikes are NOT free.

Maybe some went to baht for him?

38 posted on 08/19/2006 4:15:40 PM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: hoosiermama

He probably was a "working boy", if you know what I mean.

I think he is wanted on other charges anyway, so bring him back, lock him up, fry him if he's for real.


39 posted on 08/19/2006 4:19:05 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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40 posted on 08/20/2006 5:53:55 AM PDT by Rte66
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