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Crucial steps in investigation of Karr didn't get under way until after arrest
Contra Costa Times ^ | 8/19/06 | Kirk Mitchell

Posted on 08/19/2006 11:03:11 AM PDT by gopwinsin04

Crucial steps in investigation of Karr didn't get under way until after arrest D.A. in Boulder, Colo., did not request DNA or handwriting samples until after suspect in killing of JonBenét was detained By Kirk Mitchell MEDIANEWS

Basic steps in the investigation that could tie John Mark Karr to the 1996 killing of JonBenét Ramsey did not begin in earnest until after his arrest in Thailand on Wednesday, a Denver Post investigation has revealed.

Although the Boulder, Colo., District Attorney's Office had enough evidence to obtain an arrest warrant for Karr for first-degree murder, it was only after the warrant was issued that investigators started asking questions that would form the basis of a successful homicide prosecution, experts say.

For example, it was not until Wednesday morning, after Karr was in Thai custody, that a representative of Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy's office called Hamilton County, Ala., schools to seek a handwriting sample of Karr for comparison to the ransom note left by JonBenét's killer.

Similarly, Lacy's office still has not contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to compare anything from Karr -- DNA, handwriting, a palm print, footprint or even shoe size -- to the evidence found at the scene of the killing.

Nor did the D.A.'s office consult with education officials in Colorado or California to see whether they could track Karr's teaching history.

Karr's ex-wife and children also were not contacted to see whether they could provide an alibi for Karr's whereabouts at the time of JonBenét's slaying. Karr's former wife told a San Francisco television station that she is sure he spent Christmas 1996 with her and the family. JonBenét was killed the day after Christmas that year.

Likewise, the spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department, which has had a fugitive warrant since 2001 seeking Karr's arrest on five counts of misdemeanor possession of child pornography, said the department was unaware of Karr's connection to the Ramsey case until after he was in Thai custody.

At a news conference Thursday, Lacy indicated that "exigent circumstances" forced the arrest of Karr to occur before she would have preferred. She did not disclose any of the evidence she has that could tie Karr to the crime. She added that an investigator from her office was dispatched to Bangkok on just a few hours' notice before Karr was picked up at Boulder's request.

Lacy's spokeswoman, Carolyn French, reiterated Friday that public safety and fear of flight generally drive decisions on when to arrest someone.

"Karr began his employment as a second-grade teacher in a Bangkok international school on Tuesday of this week," Lacy said at her Thursday news conference.

But former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman raised questions about the handling of the case.

"You must conclude either Mary Lacy has solid, conclusive evidence or this is massive prosecutorial incompetence," Silverman said.

He said the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office could have been notified by Boulder that Karr was in Thailand, and then could have used the California warrant to seek Karr's detention there. Or the Justice Department could have been asked to issue a warrant charging Karr with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, Silverman said.

While California or federal officials had him in their custody, evidentiary tests could have been performed that would corroborate Boulder's case against Karr or exclude him, Silverman said. That way the public -- and potential jurors -- would never have known that a suspect was being tracked in the JonBenét case until prosecutors had it nailed down.

There was substantial evidence at the JonBenét killing scene that is available for comparison to any suspect, officials say.

Law-enforcement sources have previously confirmed that the girl was found with "foreign" DNA under her fingernails. The DNA reportedly did not match genetic material collected from dozens of Ramsey family members and friends. There was also DNA in her underwear.

CBI spokesman Lance Clem said experts there processed 3,000 pieces of evidence including DNA and 150 handwriting samples in the Ramsey case.

The office has been asked numerous times to process new evidence in the Ramsey case, but the last time CBI criminalists processed any of the evidence was in June 2005, Clem said.

Bravill Jackson, the school superintendent in Hamilton where Karr briefly was a substitute teacher, answered a request Wednesday from the Boulder D.A.'s office and faxed a copy of a letter Karr wrote to the district in 1996 when he was fired from the school.

Silverman said the D.A.'s office could have requested the letter earlier. The ransom letter is critical to solving the case, he said. If Karr's writing is not a match, it would be compelling evidence that could exclude him, he said.

"Why create this hubbub when you could conduct all the corroborating tests while he is in someone else's custody?" Silverman asked.

French said she could not comment on whether Boulder asked Sonoma County authorities to have Karr detained.

Bryan Cunningham, a Denver attorney who prosecuted international drug cases as a federal prosecutor and extradited drug kingpins to the United States, said no prosecutor who has probable cause to prove a case would ask a foreign government to expel a fugitive on a misdemeanor offense.

"It's not a trivial matter to get another government to arrest and hold someone," Cunningham said.

Treaties with different countries may not even allow an extradition on such a minor case as the misdemeanor pornography charges, he said.

Christopher Mueller, who teaches evidence law at the University of Colorado Law School, said he believes Lacy has strong evidence in the case -- either physical evidence connecting Karr to JonBenét's killing or Karr's descriptions of elements of the crime only the killer would know.

"There is a lot of trouble they are going through and I don't believe they would be doing it on a lark," Mueller said.

In an ideal world, all loose ends, including a DNA test and handwriting comparisons, would be done before an arrest, but if the D.A. has legitimate worries that a suspect will flee or molest more children, that would be a good reason to file charges first, he said.

And if DNA tests show that Karr was present in the Ramsey home, it likely will not matter to anyone whether the bulk of the investigative work took place before or after a warrant was issued for his arrest.

"I think it is too early to know if the D.A. has done something precipitous," Mueller said.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: jonbenet; karr; ramsey
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1 posted on 08/19/2006 11:03:13 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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2 posted on 08/19/2006 11:05:31 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: stm
'or the Justice Department could have been asked to issue a warrant charging Karr with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution'
3 posted on 08/19/2006 11:07:48 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: stm

Maybe but for what?


4 posted on 08/19/2006 11:10:57 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: gopwinsin04

They might as well charge him with the JFK assassination (though he was not born until 1965) while they are at it. He is equally guilty of both.


5 posted on 08/19/2006 11:12:09 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: CindyDawg

Wasn't this guy already wanted in California?


6 posted on 08/19/2006 11:12:21 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: CindyDawg

Good question, but I think it's a pretty sure bet he did not do it.


7 posted on 08/19/2006 11:12:40 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: stm

Fox News just said that Arkansas wants to talk to Karr about a murder case there...


8 posted on 08/19/2006 11:13:20 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04

Interestingly, in Nashville we just wrapped up a very high-profile case (Perry March). He was a lawyer whose wife disappeared in 1996. They never found her body.

Here's the interesting thing. He had moved to Mexico, and they finally indicted him and extradicted him to Nashville last year. It turned out, during his trial, that at the time they arrested March, the state had almost no evidence against him. However, once he got to jail in Nashville, March shot himself in the foot several times - the most important was his trying to hire a cellmate to kill his in-laws (who had been instrumental in his arrest). This meant new charges against March, and his father, who was in on the plot. March's father then copped a plea, and told all (even about the original murder, which he called an "accident")

They just convicted March on murder 2. Amazingly, in my opinion, without March's jailhouse behavior, the case was so flimsy, he would have been acquitted.

The point being, if you can get away with it, arrest can make a great investigative tool. I ain't saying it's right, but it is what it is.


9 posted on 08/19/2006 11:15:56 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: gopwinsin04
The thing that strikes me so funny about this whole situation is when someone is suspected of a heinous crime such as murder, they scramble for an alibi. Karr's ex-wife alibi'd him out, "oh no, he was in AL with me at the time of the murder"....and he's probably thinking "will someone please shut that damn woman up!"
10 posted on 08/19/2006 11:18:06 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: Warren_Piece

so - the police should use arrest and imprisonment without bail - as a means of investigation? you're joking I hope.

so, since they always suspect family members as the main suspects in these cases - they are going be arresting alot of husbands/wives/fathers/mothers in this country.


11 posted on 08/19/2006 11:19:34 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: stm

It sounds like Karr was 1900km from the crime scene according to his ex-wife.


12 posted on 08/19/2006 11:21:43 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: Warren_Piece

I have seen the story on this guy on A&E or something. He took the kids to Mexico, grandparents trying to get custody. Pretty messy situation. But, I didn't know he was brought back, and now convicted.


13 posted on 08/19/2006 11:25:06 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: gopwinsin04
More jurisprudential excellence from Boulder, CO (Home of Ward Churchill - an upstanding citizen if ever there was one).
14 posted on 08/19/2006 11:25:31 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: gopwinsin04
You must conclude either Mary Lacy has solid, conclusive evidence or this is massive prosecutorial incompetence

I vote for massive prosecutorial incompetence.

The entire Boulder law enforcement community makes the Keystone Cops look good.

15 posted on 08/19/2006 11:29:11 AM PDT by vox humana
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To: gopwinsin04

Oh, those exigencies will get you every time.....


16 posted on 08/19/2006 11:36:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: gopwinsin04

If this were a crime novel, this guy would be a shill taking the fall to clear the late Patsy's name.

Just plain strange.


17 posted on 08/19/2006 11:38:07 AM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: oceanview

Like I said, I don't condone it. They happened to get it right this time (everybody in Nashville "knew" this guy did it - you would have had to be here the last 10 years), and when they arrested him, we all assumed they had the goods on him.

What they had was: love letters from him to another woman that were hidden away by his wife (at her art studio), an appointment with a divorce lawyer the day after she disappeared, a computer hard drive that disappeared between the first search (when he wasn't a suspect) and the second (when he was), her car found at an appartment complex with all of her stuff in it, and fibers that matched the husband, and testimony from some Mexicans that he had said he killed his wife.

IMHO it wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that 1) she was even dead and 2) he killed her. But even without his jailhouse behavior, the above was enough to convince me that he did it (and most of Nashville, too). But there's a difference between "knowing" he did it, and "proving" it.

Like I said, in this case, the state got lucky. There was nothing heinous about arresting him and trying him with what they had (it was enough to at least try),I just don't think they would have convicted him. Sometimes, you just get lucky.


18 posted on 08/19/2006 11:38:35 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Paladin2
We have a Colorado University professor at the heart of this case. He's been making a documentary about the killing, all the while corresponding with Karr.

And can anyone imagine a mother being willing to meet with the man suspected with murdering her beloved child.

This case is filled with weird people, very weird people.

19 posted on 08/19/2006 11:39:11 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: vox humana

It's quite possible that this guy is psychotic, in combination with being obsessed with this crime. Sounds like he had a past obsession with the Polly Klaas case, as well. I hope they have more than his "confession". I really don't understand why they didn't try to first establish whether he could have been in Boulder at that time. Also, they could have taken a sample over there for the DNA test. If they had to bring him back, they could have done it based on the child porn and then investigated further without making the possible JBR connection public. None of this makes sense to me.


20 posted on 08/19/2006 11:42:21 AM PDT by drjulie
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