Posted on 08/18/2006 9:31:38 PM PDT by Let's Roll
Subject: Fwd: Spanish newspaper article on Judaism (In English)
All European life died in Auschwitz
By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez
I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.
The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned. And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.
They have turned our beautiful Spanish cities into a third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts. And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.
We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for hoping for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs. What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.
All American Patriots must pay attention and come together or they will eventually lose their great country as well. Spain has gradually allowed their country to be absorbed by liberal polices, ideals and a permissiveness that presented the current dilemma.
Actually the money problems stemmed from the fact that at the time no governments had the power to fix prices, so the influx of so much gold played horribly on the Spanish economy over time. Relatively poor countries like England ( who by the way had expelled their Jews 200 years before Spain did, but we never hear about how horrible that was, because of course the Spanish make better antisemites than the English do in English speaking countries) were able to take advantage of Spain's wealthy but slow economy.
The point is only if they claimed to be Christian could the “inquisition” question them. The inquisition only dealt with professed Christians. At the time of it's establishment under the Spanish crown most of the forced conversion were already passed. But many people still had suspicions about conversos and those with converso ancestors. Especially when you factor in that as Jews they didn't have any political power to correspond with their relative wealth, but that as soon as they became Christian they could become mayors, bureaucrats, and priests. Indeed the crown was in the habit if ennobling converso families because “in as much as they were princes among their own people before, so they should remain so in their new situation.” (Quoted in Kamen's The Spanish Inquisition).
of Course all that would only piss off the peasants more causing all kinds of accusations of false intentions on the part of the conversos. Indeed many conversos actually welcomed investigation by the inquisition because it could clear them, and if you look at the documents you find that for anyone actually found guilty of heresy or Judaizing hundreds and thousands were acquitted.
I am inclined towards the opposite view. The Nazi's imbibed their hatred of the Jews from islam.
How about the 'cause' of WW1? The assination of the Archduke Ferdinand:
Contrary to common belief, Princip was not a member of the Black Hand, but was a member of the group Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna), which he joined in 1911. The Young Bosnia Movement was a group made up of Serbs, Croats, and Bosnian Muslims, committed to achieving independence for Bosnia.
http://www.answers.com/topic/gavrilo-princip
Was Princip a useful idiot for islam?
Well there are a few like the author of this article--those I do feel sorry for.
The Spanish are an interesting people, at the same time they can cut the fool but be totally cognizant of the fact. They've become a sort of microcosm of the last few centuries. Anyone who has done some real studies in Spanish history will not be surprised for instance to learn that liberalism first evolved in Spain, and was first condemned as a sin in Spain too. Paradoxes abound in the Iberian peninsula, convivencia combined with the expulsion for example; or that they could have at the same time treated natives with such a cruelty and yet intermixed with them to such a high level. How officially at least they were one of the first nations to outlaw Slavery (since the time of Isabella in fact). Or the that Spain was the only major country so far to have had a successful fascist government. And, at the same time it was in the beginning of the 20th century the first battleground between the two ideological children of the Revolution, and incidentally proved that you can defeat communism on the battle field and still lose.
"This group includes Lyndon and Lady Buzzaed Johnson"
Not so. Richard King was born of Irish Parents. Lyndon was descended from immigrants from other parts of the South as was Lady Bird.
This is from a web page at Fordham University:
In the spring of 1492, shortly after the Moors were driven out of Granada, Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain expelled all the Jews from their lands and thus, by a stroke of the pen, put an end to the largest and most distinguished Jewish settlement in Europe. The expulsion of this intelligent, cultured, and industrious class was prompted only in part by the greed of the king and the intensified nationalism of the people who had just brought the crusade against the Muslim Moors to a glorious close.
Actually no part of it was prompted by greed, unlike in the case of the English king during the English expulsion, Ferdinand didn't owe much to his Jewish creditors at the time, in fact he stood to lose lots of money doing it as many of his economic advisers were Jewish. He himself admitted that he was worried about how much money the kingdom, and himself personally, would lose through the expulsion. But it was considered necessary for the safety and peace of the realm.
The real motive was the religious zeal of the Church, the Queen, and the masses. The official reason given for driving out the Jews was that they encouraged the Marranos to persist in their Jewishness and thus would not allow them to become good Christians.
The official reason is not quite accurate, but it does shed light on the real problem for which the Expulsion was supposed to be a solution. First however it's important to understand the difference in terms used, (dictionary.com btw is no use because it's definition of converso is simply wrong.) A converso is someone who converted from either Judaism or Islam but it does not imply 'false convert.' The term Marranos is usually used for a false converso. Whether or not the Jews still in Spain were actively trying to bring conversos back to the old faith doesn't really matter. As long as there was the suspicion that the conversos were not genuine there were problems. Anyone who wanted to ruin the reputation of an enemy for example could accuse him of being a false converso, a marrano. And there were occasions in which they would even hire unscrupulous Jews to testify against them. The problem was a major one, the inquisition was bogged down with literally thousands upon thousands of bogus investigations. The solution that the crown came up with was that by separating the Jews from Spain they would eventually solve the problem. Once they were gone it was assumed that the suspicion of the conversos would end. Was it fair? Absolutely not, it was an overly harsh solution. But, if you're a Christian prince in the middle ages you naturally put your Christian subject, including conversos, before any others. It was perhaps the cruelest act of an otherwise great queen. But even still, putting it in context it could have been worse, the Jews were after all given 4 months to collect what they needed for the trip, during which they were under royal protection. In any case it's nonsense to compare the Expulsion, however harsh it was, to the deliberate genocide enacted by true and committed antisemites.
Well I've did some more research into that “Muslim pirate raid connection,” deal. And guess what; you were more right than I was ;). This is one of those examples of me confusing multiple different events in my own mind, a side effect of reading to much history I'm afraid. As I said, I remember reading about this supposed connection in Warren Carroll's books, but I apparently got it mixed up with similar events. Of course Muslim raids were a constant threat to Spain and probably did have a baring on the hysteria of the riots of the 1350s, but the event you referred was in fact during the reign of Isabella, in the 1480s. It was at the town of Otranto in Italy, and it was a Turkish fleet, apparently taking revenge for their humiliating 35 to 1 defeat at Rhodes by the Knights Hospitallers. It was a horrendous few days of carnage, Queen Isabella actually sent her own fleet to run them out. In any case it was a few weeks latter that she established the inquisition in Spain
I read where LBJ had a grandfather that had a spanish name before changing it. I wish I had kept the article, if I can I will try to locate it.
tftp
"For the simple reason that you can also find Jesuits sources that totally gloss over negative aspects of the Church's history."
I didn't say that the Jesuits had always been enemies of the Church, just that they are now. And your note bears that out.
My point is that that isn't an argument anyone but someone who understands the current heterodoxy of the Jesuits would understand or credit. Besides, someone who glosses over certain people and events in the Church's history is an enemy too, however unwittingly. The statements found at the website represent more opinion than objective analysis. Regardless of the basis of that opinion it's still safer to discredit the statements on a factual basis than because of their origin. After all, we don't need to be Jesuitical about it, right? < rimshot > ; )
"Regardless of the basis of that opinion it's still safer to discredit the statements on a factual basis than because of their origin."
I get lazy.
The problem I'm struggling with now is how to convince people that the lamestream media lie all the time. And when I say "lie," I mean knowingly advance falsehoods with the malicious intent of deceiving.
No NPR listener wants to believe that he could be taken in like that. If NPR were lying all the time, he would have spotted it because, after all, he's not an idiot.
I don't know how you get past that.
You don't. : /
Bump!
Failed nationalism I think has been the primary agent. The new militant Islam touts itself as Fundamentalist and as such it has a strong Identitarian Ideology. It seems to me that it's primarily the Identitarianism which appeals to young Muslims, in a world in which, seemingly, there is not place for Islam.
Excellent post!
You've given me much to think about, thanks.
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