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MODERN MANNERS (Offering a Woman a Seat Is 'Creepy,' According to GQ)
New York Post ^ | August 18, 2006 | Liz Smith

Posted on 08/18/2006 1:45:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway

'WOMEN ARE equals now. They can fend for themselves. To offer a perfectly healthy woman a seat simply because she is a woman, however well-intentioned, is creepy. At best, she'll think you're from another country; at worst she'll feel old, or overweight enough to be perceived as pregnant."

And that is a lesson in modern manners, according to the new issue of GQ (with Clive Owen on the cover). Glenn O'Brien and other GQ scribes weigh in on e-mails, cellphones, gym etiquette, dressing for travel, how to handle chatty seatmates, sleeping with your friend's ex, online dating, wedding gifts and how to treat gay people: "Gay people don't want to freshen up the world, they just want to be a part of it." (So don't ask for makeovers and fashion tips.)

Oh, but you certainly should open doors for women: "Why? To be nice, you mannerless ape!"

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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To: sunvalley

I live in S. FL (home of many yankees and home of many elderly). I cannot tell you how often I have been going into an establishment (for instance the post office) with my arms full, and had older men (I will not use the word gentlemen for them) go in ahead of me and let the door slam in my face instead of holding it open. I gotta say, the people out here are the rudest batch of humans I've ever encountered. Some days it's difficult to muster a smile (but I do--otherwise, they've won!)
susie


221 posted on 08/18/2006 4:51:00 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: HHFi
Personally, I think if you want to know the opinions of gay men, GQ would be a pretty good source.

So would the NYT.

222 posted on 08/18/2006 4:51:18 PM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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To: CindyDawg

Racist? You are kidding me! What's the matter with people who consider good manners racist??? Sheesh.
susie


223 posted on 08/18/2006 4:53:16 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Excellent life lesson. A hard one, but we should all do the kind thing even when the recipient is a jerk. I always tell myself (when I do something nice for those jerks) that just maybe it will change the sort of day they're having and they will do something nice for someone else. Probably doesn't happen often, but surely on occasion.
susie


224 posted on 08/18/2006 4:54:56 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: The Black Knight

"She mouthed off that "She didn't need a MAN holding the door for her". I just smiled and waited until she walked in."

You should have slamed in her face and walked on.


225 posted on 08/18/2006 4:57:58 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: KellyAdmirer

I would be so curious if someone would ask in these instances, what was wrong. I mean, not in an accusatory way like ,"What the bleep is your problem?!" but something like, "Is everything ok?" or even, "Have I somehow offended you? That was not my intention." I just wonder what they would say (of course, if they have pepper sprayed you or slapped you, that is probably a bad idea).

susie


226 posted on 08/18/2006 4:58:08 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: nickcarraway
What a load! When I was on the Metro in DC, I offered my seat to a woman and it was incredible to watch a plain face bloom into loveliness.

The problem with most feminists is that they are rarely treated as ladies.

My Great-Grandfather, Grandfathers and Dad raised me to be a gentleman, and I wll not allow this decadent society to change those years of educaiton!

227 posted on 08/18/2006 5:00:07 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (¡Salga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: JavaTheHutt

On restraunt manners, remember, many kids NEVER eat at a table at home, so where will they learn table manners? Of course, it's a shame, but it's the truth.
And I also agree about hats. When did it become acceptible to wear them indoors?
susie


228 posted on 08/18/2006 5:03:27 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: CindyDawg

That's fascinating, I'm going to have to watch for that!
susie


229 posted on 08/18/2006 5:03:56 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: TET1968

Most women would find that charming. I know I do.
susie


230 posted on 08/18/2006 5:07:03 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: freepertoo
In our modern, twilight-zone, wrong-is-right world. a good number of them do NOT like "courtesy" shown toward them anymore........SOME even feel threatened by it,(such as holding a door for them) and will launch into a preprogrammed femilezi rant about how you have offended them , and think they are unable to open the door themselves.
231 posted on 08/18/2006 5:08:34 PM PDT by Rca2000 (I may be a prude, but at least I am CONSISTENT about my beliefs!!)
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To: nickcarraway

I was at a farm market and one of the neighbor farmers was sitting in a chair. When we were introduced, he immediately stood up to shake my hand. Always a nice compliment to a female. "Manners" and "Goodness" never go out of style.


232 posted on 08/18/2006 5:09:03 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Give me your seat anytime!


233 posted on 08/18/2006 5:09:56 PM PDT by ladyinred (Thank God the Brits don't have a New York Times!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

No it is WAY too late for that.

"It's all part of the big plan".


234 posted on 08/18/2006 5:11:15 PM PDT by Rca2000 (I may be a prude, but at least I am CONSISTENT about my beliefs!!)
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To: JamesP81
It's just that more than a few of them will give me a look that will kill and everytime I do it, I'm always thinking 'am I getting out of this unscathed?'

To hell with the dyke biatches. I've only rarely been told off for offering my seat or opening a door, and my response is "Sorry, I'm more scared of my mama than I am of you, ma'am."

-ccm

235 posted on 08/18/2006 5:12:19 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Sacajaweau
I was at a farm market and one of the neighbor farmers was sitting in a chair. When we were introduced, he immediately stood up to shake my hand. Always a nice compliment to a female. "Manners" and "Goodness" never go out of style.

Yes, a gentleman stands when ladies depart or arrive at the table. I hope he had the manners to wait for your hand to be offered to him to be shaken.

-ccm

236 posted on 08/18/2006 5:13:42 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: dalereed

"She mouthed off that "She didn't need a MAN holding the door for her". I just smiled and waited until she walked in."

"You should have slamed in her face and walked on."


Remember, as the wise Marcus Aurellius said, "The best revenge is to not do as they do".


237 posted on 08/18/2006 5:19:40 PM PDT by The Black Knight (The Tengu Demon with a heart)
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To: brytlea
And I also agree about hats. When did it become acceptible to wear them indoors?

My favorite episode of the Sopranos is the one when Tony is eating in an upscale restauraunt and sees a 20s something guy sitting at another table wearing a cap. He walks over and the following conversation takes place:

"They took out the bleachers a few years ago, maybe you didn't notice?"
"Huh?"
"They stopped serving hot dogs here a long time ago."
"Huh?"
"Take the hat off"
"I don't have to take my hat off"
"Take off the hat or I'll take it off for you."
"Screw you, man!"
Evil glare and flaring nostrils while Tony's fists begin to clench and unclench. The young guy slowly reaches up and pulls his hat off and lowers it into his lap. Tony returns to his table, calls the waiter and has him send an expensive bottle of wine to the table where the young guy and his date are talking animatedly while stealing quick glances in Tony's direction.

I actually cheered out loud over that scene.

238 posted on 08/18/2006 5:24:35 PM PDT by JavaTheHutt (I'm JavaTheHutt, and I approve of this message.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I've been in California all of my life, and it's always seemed to me that gentlemen pretty much always defer to ladies in the elevator exit scenario.

Men who've immigrated from the Middle East are different. One time I was walking along a fairly narrow sidewalk on a freeway overpass in a prosperous major downtown in Southern California. Two clearly Middle Eastern businessmen in conversation approached me coming in the opposite direction. Being an American woman, I assumed they would be the ones to briefly adjust their stride so that one would step aside, and let me pass, and then go on their way. Would have taken a split second.

Instead, these guys, unaware totally of any breach of etiquette, brushed past me, so we were awkwardly three abreast. That never would have happened had the guys been American businessmen. I thought it was very telling.

239 posted on 08/18/2006 5:27:42 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: MamaTexan
I am sure that the Muslims would like for all American men to become metrosexuals.

AKA-- "sheep to the slaughter".
240 posted on 08/18/2006 5:34:06 PM PDT by Rca2000 (I may be a prude, but at least I am CONSISTENT about my beliefs!!)
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