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8/11 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8.11.06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 08/10/2006 8:58:48 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

Love is a Battlefield

IDF soldier received heart shaped cookie somewhere near the Lebanon border...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; israel; middleeast; unres1701; waronmilitantislam
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
If you mean an expanded UNIFAIL, right. Like I said, Israel is back in Lebanon to stay.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

1,001 posted on 08/11/2006 11:41:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: jeffers

This was definately the case yesterday. And it seemed that the harder they were trying to get caught up, the further they go behind.

The thing that amazed me was how easy it was to get through security. I have a routine that I do when going through. 3 bins, laptop bag in one, laptop in the second, shoes, belt and remaining in thrid. I can break it all down in about 20 seconds. I went through without a hint of delay.


1,002 posted on 08/11/2006 11:41:24 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: oceanview

Jennifer Griffin said a few minutes ago that Condi Rice called Olmert a little while ago..and asked him "isn't there anything we can do"??

At least that is how I heard her....I am beginning to question my sanity here.


1,003 posted on 08/11/2006 11:41:24 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: redgolum

rationality is a technique, being consistantly logical within the framework of your basic assumptions. What counts is where you start from.


1,004 posted on 08/11/2006 11:41:54 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: prairiebreeze

>>>> Any pertinent updates for somebody only able to jump in on the thread occasionally? >>>>

I think we could rent Kevin Kline's In & Out and stay caught up, even if we re-wound it a few times...

Just saw a headline that 40 more terrorists arrested in Italy in the airline plan...

Pinz


1,005 posted on 08/11/2006 11:43:04 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Very true, and something I try to force home in my debates with social liberals.

I know many of my base assumptions. What worries me is that so many people don't.


1,006 posted on 08/11/2006 11:43:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: goldstategop
but this is different if Israel continues with the war...if the US votes yes on this it will be pathetic..and Bush is pathetic.

Hezballoh will say, and they would be correct, why should we disarm becuase the UN said so if Israel ignores what the UN says too

1,007 posted on 08/11/2006 11:43:21 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: Txsleuth
I guess Olmert said something along the lines of "You do what you gotta do and we'll do what we gotta do." The IDF is already moving and Israel's government is not going to order it to stop until it has neutralized the katyushas firing at Israel. That will take a couple of weeks, minimum.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

1,008 posted on 08/11/2006 11:43:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Enchante

Okay...I have to admit I just read the headline..because I am concentrating on the Israel/Lebanon thing.

At the same time, watching a Fox ticker going by that says "Democrats allege that President Bush still hasn't made America safer after 9/11".....LOL


1,009 posted on 08/11/2006 11:44:02 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: redgolum

Knowing what the enemy's base assumptions are is the important part...


1,010 posted on 08/11/2006 11:44:21 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Bookmark...be back later.


1,011 posted on 08/11/2006 11:44:54 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Enchante
we are "over a barrel" literally.....

Sad but true. If we do not have a treasonous opposition party i.e. the democrat party and their media, none of the threats will be important and the US will have much stronger position on many issues.

1,012 posted on 08/11/2006 11:44:54 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
It appears that this was a huge and well coordinated operation. My hat goes off to MI-5 and the other intelligence agencies that prevented this from happening.
1,013 posted on 08/11/2006 11:45:24 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: jveritas

... and meanwhile the caribou graze happily on the frozen tundra. Makes sense to me.


1,014 posted on 08/11/2006 11:45:36 AM PDT by hegemony
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To: Lizarde

THANKS..if what we heard is TRUE, and Israel signs off on it...they are crazy.


1,015 posted on 08/11/2006 11:45:39 AM PDT by Txsleuth ((((((((ISRAEL)))))))))
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To: janetjanet998
The UN is NOT ordering Hezbollah to disarm. It is just calling for a ceasefire. And both parties need to concur. Hezbollah would love to crow victory but for Olmert to stop the IDF now would make him look weak and indecisive. The people of Israel will have his head if he doesn't do everything he can to bring a victory to the country.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

1,016 posted on 08/11/2006 11:46:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Txsleuth; SE Mom

Opinion

Bush's Fortitude on the Middle East Ed Koch
Fri Aug 11, 8:30 AM ET

The war now raging in Lebanon should not surprise anyone. For many years, Hezbollah, which is funded, equipped and ideologically supported by Iran and Syria, has made it crystal clear that its goal is to conquer Israel, expel its Jewish inhabitants, and place the entire land under Islamic rule.


Hezbollah engages in terrorism -- the deliberate targeting of Jewish civilians and others -- to achieve its goals. For the past month, Hezbollah has rained down thousands of rockets on Israel, deliberately maiming and killing innocent Israeli civilians. Hezbollah uses Lebanese civilians as human shields when it places its rockets in civilian areas, and is therefore responsible for many Lebanese casualties. Nonetheless, the European Union refuses to describe Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

The Islamic terrorism represented by Hezbollah and others will one day threaten the entire world. Islamic fanatics have already engaged in terrorist acts in the U.S., England, Spain, India, Kenya, Tanzania, Argentina, Indonesia, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Afghanistan and others. Israel should be applauded for fighting international terrorism and using its military forces in Lebanon to confront the terrorist infrastructure after Hezbollah launched a military attack across the Lebanese-Israeli border on July 12th.

Instead, Israel has been criticized by a number of countries in the European Union that seek to make it difficult for the Israeli army to degrade or eliminate Hezbollah. You can count on the French government to try to deliver Israel into the hands of its enemies. British Prime Minister Tony Blair deserves enormous credit for standing with the U.S. against those in and out of his government who have opposed his willingness to fight international terrorism and his support for the right of Israel to defend itself against Hezbollah.

I have no doubt, however, that if it were not for the support of the United States, led by President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, many European states would be even more active in trying to snatch victory from the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces.

The position of the United States has been clear from the start of hostilities: a sustainable ceasefire. An August 7th New York Times editorial stated what The Times believes is required: "For Israel, [the U.N. Resolution] must include some assurance that Hezbollah will no longer be able to cross into Israeli territory and kidnap Israeli soldiers or launch its rockets against Israeli towns and cities."

For Lebanon, all agree that a "sustainable ceasefire" means a return of control of the entire country to the elected Lebanese government. The Lebanese army is not strong enough to exercise such control and disarm Hezbollah. It will need the military forces of NATO or other friendly countries to assist it.

It was disingenuous for Russian President Vladimir Putin, the butcher of Grozny and the Chechen Republic, and others to talk of a "disproportionate response" on the part of Israel. Even with the onslaught of Israeli troops sent into southern Lebanon, Israel's response to date has been clearly inadequate to the danger it faces. Although it is making progress, it has been unable to destroy all of Hezbollah's bases and rockets so as to remove them as future threats.

Israel's decision not to use major combat infantry in addition to its air force early on was, in hindsight, a serious error, even if its intent was to minimize casualties to both Israeli military forces and Lebanese civilians. It appears that Hezbollah will emerge from this exchange of hostilities degraded militarily in its ability to wage terrorist attacks against Israel, but not destroyed. Politically, it will be strengthened, simply by having withstood Israeli efforts to totally obliterate it. Arab leadership will seek to convince the "Arab street" that Israel's army was defeated by Hezbollah. Rational people, however, will look at the damage inflicted by Israel in southern Lebanon and Beirut and know that Lebanon paid a heavy price for Hezbollah's military misadventure.

In an effort to limit Israel's victory, the Arab League is seeking to have the proposed Security Council resolution order Israel to vacate southern Lebanon before Hezbollah is disarmed and the Lebanese army and a multinational force is placed there as required by U.N. Resolution 1559. Israel cannot protect its population from a renewal of Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israeli cities and towns if it were to quit Lebanon before both Lebanon's army and a U.N.-mandated military force are in place to keep the peace and disarm Hezbollah.

According to The New York Times, President Bush made the U.S. position clear, "Speaking to reporters from his ranch in Crawford, Tex., President Bush called for the resolution's speedy adoption, but made clear that the main sticking point -- Lebanese insistence that the draft be altered to require Israel to withdraw troops immediately -- was nonnegotiable."

In my judgment, when history evaluates George W. Bush's position in the pantheon of presidents, he will be compared with Harry S. Truman. Bush's fortitude in recognizing the danger of Islamic fundamentalism to the U.S. and, indeed, the Western world, and his awareness of the need to win this war of civilizations is remarkable. He deserves the applause of all Americans and in time he will receive it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20060811/cm_rcp/bushs_fortitude_on_the_middle


1,017 posted on 08/11/2006 11:47:55 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: Txsleuth

I think Olmert has signed his pink slip


1,018 posted on 08/11/2006 11:48:04 AM PDT by hegemony
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To: CougarGA7
We are not out of the woods yet. There were at least 100 suspects, we got about half. There are probably more, and possibly a few in the US.

And planes aren't the only thing to target. Those mass cell phone buys imply something more ground based. Cell coverages is not that good at 20,000+ feet.
1,019 posted on 08/11/2006 11:49:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: hegemony

Did I just hear on Fox that Syria is moving landmines along their border with Israel?


1,020 posted on 08/11/2006 11:49:35 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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