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Missiles Neutralizing Israeli Tanks
Yahoo News ^ | 8-4-2006 | Benjamin Harvey

Posted on 08/04/2006 7:02:46 PM PDT by blam

Missiles neutralizing Israeli tanks

By BENJAMIN HARVEY, Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM - Hezbollah's sophisticated anti-tank missiles are perhaps the guerrilla group's deadliest weapon in Lebanon fighting, with their ability to pierce Israel's most advanced tanks.

Experts say this is further evidence that Israel is facing a well-equipped army in this war, not a ragtag militia.

Hezbollah has fired Russian-made Metis-M anti-tank missiles and owns European-made Milan missiles, the army confirmed on Friday.

In the last two days alone, these missiles have killed seven soldiers and damaged three Israeli-made Merkava tanks — mountains of steel that are vaunted as symbols of Israel's military might, the army said. Israeli media say most of the 44 soldiers killed in four weeks of fighting were hit by anti-tank missiles.

"They (Hezbollah guerrillas) have some of the most advanced anti-tank missiles in the world," said Yossi Kuperwasser, a senior military intelligence officer who retired earlier this summer.

"This is not a militia, it's an infantry brigade with all the support units," Kuperwasser said.

Israel contends that Hezbollah gets almost all of its weaponry from Syria and by extension Iran, including its anti-tank missiles.

That's why cutting off the supply chain is essential — and why fighting Hezbollah after it has spent six years building up its arsenal is proving so painful to Israel, officials say.

Israel's Merkava tanks boast massive amounts of armor and lumber and resemble fortresses on tracks. They are built for crew survival, according to Globalsecurity.org, a Washington-based military think tank.

Hezbollah celebrates when it destroys one.

"A Zionist armored force tried to advance toward the village of Chihine. The holy warriors confronted it and destroyed two Merkava tanks," the group proclaimed on television Thursday.

The Israeli army confirmed two attacks on Merkava tanks that day — one that killed three soldiers and the other killing one. The three soldiers who were killed on Friday were also killed by anti-tank missiles, the army said.

It would not say whether the missiles disabled the tanks.

"To the best of my understanding, they (Hezbollah) are as well-equipped as any standing unit in the Syrian or Iranian armies," said Eran Lerman, a retired army colonel and now director of the Israel/Middle East office of the American Jewish Committee. "This is not a rat-pack guerrilla, this is an organized militia."

Besides the anti-tank missiles, Hezbollah is also known to have a powerful rocket-propelled grenade known as the RPG29. These weapons are also smuggled through Syria, an Israeli security official said, and were previously used by Palestinian militants in Gaza to damage tanks.

On Friday, Jane's Defense Weekly, a defense industry magazine, reported that Hezbollah asked Iran for "a constant supply of weapons" to support its operations against Israel.

The report cited Western diplomatic sources as saying that Iranian authorities promised Hezbollah a steady supply of weapons "for the next stage of the confrontation."

Top Israeli intelligence officials say they have seen Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers on the ground with Hezbollah troops. They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; antitankmissle; hezbollah; israeli; merkava; metism; missiles; neutralizing; rpg29; tanks
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1 posted on 08/04/2006 7:02:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Israel needs to deploy a whole line of cardboard decoy tanks or something and run them out of ammunition.


2 posted on 08/04/2006 7:09:46 PM PDT by jwalburg (It wasn't the Executive that Thomas Jefferson referred to as "the Despotic Branch.")
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To: blam

They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead.

I thought the Iranians might be keeping the decision to launch on Tel Aviv in their hands. Nasrallah would have ordered the strikes long ago if he had the authority. If there are missile strikes on Tel Aviv it will signal Iran's desire for a wider war in the region.


3 posted on 08/04/2006 7:09:56 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: blam

Tehran is asking for it. Damascus is asking for it.


4 posted on 08/04/2006 7:11:31 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: jwalburg

Remote controlled scrap decoys painted to look like the real thing, that would probably save some lives.


5 posted on 08/04/2006 7:12:38 PM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: blam
Metis-M anti-tank missiles and European-made Milan missiles...

....methinks the MSM is gonna try to overhype these as the King Tiger & Panther tanks of the 21st century:
unstoppable, mass-butchering weapons that'll lose the war for the good guys.

6 posted on 08/04/2006 7:12:46 PM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 (....)
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The 9K131 Metis-M (AT-13) is an improved version of the 9K115 Metis (AT-7 SAXHORN). This improved missile has two alternate warheads: a 4.6-kg tandem shaped-charge with a precursor charge for overcoming ERA with a penetration of 800-900 mm of RHA; and a 4.95 kg fuel-air explosive warhead for attacking bunkers and similar targets. This improved missile has a maximum range of 1500 meters.

7 posted on 08/04/2006 7:13:15 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: blam
No more Mr. Nice guy. Flatten them with carpet bombing from the sky. Every building, any structure, all roads. There should be nothing but empty, barren, terrain. Anything that moves should be shot at.

No journalists should be allowed to photograph. All communications jammed. This is all out war. They all must die.

8 posted on 08/04/2006 7:14:35 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: blam

At what point in the near future will we attack Iran?


9 posted on 08/04/2006 7:15:44 PM PDT by crowman
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To: saganite

I don't think Iran is ready with its nuke yet, and I don't think there'll be any more escalation of this. It may mean hanging Hez out to dry, but what Iran is obviously planning on is having a UN resolution come in and rescue Hez, which is exactly what's going to happen. Thus Hez won't really be hung out to dry, just a little embarrassed, and they'll start up again as soon the coast is clear.

Iran will strike when it can, but it's not ready yet. Iran probably didn't expect Israel to respond, and Hez certainly didn't expect it. So they're not really ready for a devastating blow - IMHO.


10 posted on 08/04/2006 7:16:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: blam
On Friday, Jane's Defense Weekly, a defense industry magazine, reported that Hezbollah asked Iran for "a constant supply of weapons" to support its operations against Israel. The report cited Western diplomatic sources as saying that Iranian authorities promised Hezbollah a steady supply of weapons "for the next stage of the confrontation." Top Israeli intelligence officials say they have seen Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers on the ground with Hezbollah troops. They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead.

In that case Israel has to go after Iran

They have no other choice

Trying to stop the flow of weapons is not going to work

Crappolla going to really hit the fan in the next several days
11 posted on 08/04/2006 7:16:52 PM PDT by uncbob
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They say that permission to fire Hezbollah's longer-range missiles, such as those could reach Tel Aviv, would likely require Iranian go-ahead personnel.

There it's fixed.

L

12 posted on 08/04/2006 7:19:40 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is NOT a religion. It's a political ideology masquerading as a one.)
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To: crowman
I believe iran is already history....
it's being kept quiet till next of kin can be notified.
if any next of kin is left......
13 posted on 08/04/2006 7:19:46 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Israel - protecting a piece of a civilized world from rocket firing maroons 'un'civilized says stop)
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To: crowman
"At what point in the near future will we attack Iran?"

Don't know.

My thoughts are that the Israeli's need to deal with Hezbullah and Hamas before the time comes. Can't have gnats gnawing at the borders of Israel while dealing with Syria and Iran, huh?

14 posted on 08/04/2006 7:19:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: Nachum
It is time to stop proportional response. You win wars by killing so many of your enemy they beg you to stop. Ask the Germans and Japanese if it was viable for them to continue their "heroic" resistance. It is time to hold the civilian populations that support, aid, comfort, arm, and reproduce terrorist responsible for there actions. No more surgical strikes. No more leadership decapitation efforts. TOTAL WAR. Destroy the Muslim war like Rome destroyed Carthage. Tear down their cities, throw them in the seas. Salt the fields. Demand unconditional surrender.
15 posted on 08/04/2006 7:21:09 PM PDT by DariusBane (Shock and Awe used to mean something! (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Tokyo and Dresden))
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To: livius
Thus Hez won't really be hung out to dry, just a little embarrassed, and they'll start up again as soon the coast is clear.

And you think Israel can let this happen

They are having enugh problems now they can't go through this again with a much stronger Hezballah and Iran and they know it

And you can be sure the US military knows it and will tell Bush so

Our efforts in Iraq are also involved here

This is the defining moment in the ME
16 posted on 08/04/2006 7:23:29 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: blam
Time to use the bunker busters - and time for an investigation into just what the UN 'observers' were doing all those years Hezbolla was up=arming all around them when the were supposed to do the opposite.

Were not the UN 'observers' suppose to be 'observing' the Hezbolla comply with UN 1559? And when they not only weren't, but doing the opposite, why weren't the UN 'observers' notifying KofffeeeMan?

WE should have answers to this....(I just know the UN wasn't buddy-buddy with the people they were living among all those years. After all, we all know how honest and upright the UN is)

'scuse me, I gotta go throw up = I think I made myself sick
17 posted on 08/04/2006 7:26:16 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: blam

Rummy is right, Cold War machinery is no match for modern weapons. That goes for aircraft carriers too.


18 posted on 08/04/2006 7:26:44 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Nachum

BTTT...


19 posted on 08/04/2006 7:27:45 PM PDT by veronica (Clown Posse - where every thread is a stupid vanity thread...)
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To: saganite
If there are missile strikes on Tel Aviv it will signal Iran's desire for a wider war in the region

It most likely will result in attacks on Damascus and Tehran

20 posted on 08/04/2006 7:28:30 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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