We’re Losing World War IV ... How to get back to the road to victory.

National Review ^ | August 4, 2006 | By Barbara Lerner

[aculeus]

The Shiite mullahs who rule Iran and have seized the leadership of the Islamofascist war against us are as dangerous an enemy as America has ever faced. [snip]

In the 1980s, Iran’s mullahs created Hezbollah, a Shiite Arab terrorist group in Lebanon, and used it to drive us from that country the way they drove us from Iran, but this time, they didn’t just humiliate us and mock our impotence; they tortured and murdered our embassy people in Beirut, and blew up 241 of our marines.

[snip]

We should not wait, passively, for the Iranians to unveil their surprise. We should light up the skies with our own surprise: a massive aerial bombardment that wipes out most of Iran’s nuclear facilities, and decimates the ranks of its mullahs as well as those of the Revolutionary Guard and Basij forces that keep them in power ... Retired air force Lt. General Tom McInerney already has a plan to wipe out most of Iran’s nuclear facilities from the air. As I’ve argued, we should augment it with additional targets and let fly, as soon as possible, with no forewarning, for maximum effect. Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu, one of the few who argues in public for a similarly bold course sums it up this way:

By waiting for a first strike we are put in a position of playing a retaliation game after we have already endured unacceptable losses in population and perception. Once America and Israel are seen as weak enough to defeat, then the international jackals will all join in for the kill. This is what our enemies hope to accomplish…We face a crisis of major proportions. Hesitation may be fatal.

He’s right. The time to act is now.

[BurbankKarl]

I hate when people throw around terms like World War 3 and World War 4....they dont know what they are talking about.

[tioga]

Did I miss WWIII?

[Lazamataz]

I don't care if you call it WWIII, WWIV, or WW 3.5a revision 12 build 1.01.

Just as long as y'all recognize it as a world war.

[Tokra]

In case you weren't paying attention, I was responding to another poster who claimed Hitler was Jewish.

Sorry - I thought it was too strange to be true. Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between sarcasm and wackiness!

I have heard the "Hitler was a Jew" theory before. Of course, I've also heard that the Queen of the Netherlands is secretly ruling the world with Henry Kissinger!

[attiladhun2]

People who think the 12th Imam is hiding in a well somewhere and it will take a nuclear war to coax him from it are more than just one pistashio short of a bakalava. Is it possible to negotiate with such? Definately not.

[tallhappy]

Cold war is not over if you want to define it that way.

China, Vietnam, N. Korea, Cuba are all still communist dictatorships.

We lost the Cold War if it's over.

[jordan8]

There is no WW IV, only a civil war within the West. Islamists are only vultures hanging around to eat the carcass. The war is the leftist elites policy of committing genocide, particularly through immigration, against their own peoples and nations, aided and abetted by business collaborators on the "right." Establishment conservatives do so want it to be, at the very least, another cold war, because they understand they are impotent in domestic politics and it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep the domestic shell game going. They lost the culture war and they must lose the political war as well. The first cold war kept the Republicans and the safe conservative establishment artificially alive for decades, and many are hoping the new one will do the same job but that is unlikely.

[Restorer]

OK.

Let's assume Hitler conquered USSR in 1941. He came very close, you know. Then he spends three or four years building up his navy and air force using all the resources of Europe. Following which he crushes Britain.

He spends another five years building his fleet, then attacks the US in conjunction with the Japanese, who have meanwhile conquered everything from India to Australia.

The Nazis ally themselves with various Latin America dictators to acquire bases and support. It isn't much of a jump from Peronism to Nazism.

With such a scenario the Nazis could have realistically invaded and taken the US by perhaps 1955, by which time it would have been the US and Canada against the rest of the world. It would have been a heck of a fight, but we would have lost. Unless we had politicians come to power who "made peace" at the cost of the US becoming essentially fascist itself.

Obviously this is only one of many scenarios. Most critically it leaves the Bomb out of the equation. However, I will bet you anything you like that I can come up with a more realistic scenario by which the Germans invaded and conquered the US as part of an extended WWII than you can come up with one by which the jihadis invade and conquer us.

It is quite important to remember that Arabs, as such, haven't been a conquering people since about 800. Muslim medieval and later conquests were almost invariably made by Turks, Berbers, Kurds, Afghans, etc. rather than by ethnic Arabs.

[The Iceman Cometh]

Since it seems we're hung up on numbers, I would suggest that this is a continuation of World War I which began with the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand. Remember, this assasination had ethnic/muslim underpinnings.

[Bommer]

The Cold War wasn't about destroying communism. It was about stopping its expantion, which it did.

[Law is not justice but process]

I believe we are faced with the equivalent of the Spanish Civil War of the mid to late Thirties. Our proxy (Israel) is fighting Iran's proxy (Hezbollah) just as Stalin's proxies were fighting Hitler's in Spain. It is a test not just of military might and tactics, but of will. No one intervened to save the Spanish Republicans, so why should Hitler think they would lift a finger to save Poland? Iran is testing us, and if we seek "peace in our time" with Hezbollah, Iran wins. If we crush Hezbollah, maybe World War III or IV starts in 2006 rather than 2010 (when Iran will surely have nuclear capabilities). Either way, we have to fight Iran.

Do we want to fight a nuclear Iran or a nonnuclear one? Right now the Chamberlains are winning out over the Churchills.

[Alberta's Child]

Let's assume Hitler conquered USSR in 1941. He came very close, you know.

No, he didn't. In order to "conquer" the Soviet Union it would have been necessary for Germany to invade and occupy a region that covers 11 time zones from west to east and is filled with multiple racial and ethnic groups that couldn't even be controlled by a totalitarian Soviet government with nuclear arms at its disposal. The Germans would have spent the better part of 50 years just coping with the disaster they brought upon themselves by "winning" that war.

With such a scenario the Nazis could have realistically invaded and taken the US by perhaps 1955, by which time it would have been the US and Canada against the rest of the world.

Take a look at a map of North America, and then imagine what it would have been like 50 years ago when the population was less than half of what it is now. This place would have been basically ungovernable back then -- especially when you consider that even to this day in our candy-@ssed, feminized culture there are still about twice as many firearms in the U.S. as there are people.

However, I will bet you anything you like that I can come up with a more realistic scenario by which the Germans invaded and conquered the US as part of an extended WWII than you can come up with one by which the jihadis invade and conquer us.

You're right. The notion that "jihadis" could invade and conquer the U.S. is delusional. That doesn't make your "extended World War II" scenario with Germany any more realistic.

[phillyfanatic]

Some brave leader, leaders will have to denounce all, all PC agendas in the USA. 1. Bug all mosques and Islamic so called social-cultural orgs. 2. Racially profile all of them in the USA. Do the same to all American gang members who might tie into any terrorist orgs. ala the Mexican mafia who may have ties. And , begin to plan a massive attack against both Syria and Iran with Israel and any other nation brave enough and use bombing in the most severe form until the infrastructure is nil. Yep, not PC but effective. Then see all the Left die immediately with strokes, the UN membership die with heart attacks and the Leftist Dems simply go insane. All these things would greatly benefit mankind!!!

[johnny7]

We're past the Spanish Civil War... we're in the 'Phony War' stages of WW2.

[Robert DeLong]

Very interesting read indeed. I must admit I agree with everything she has to say. Too bad GWB doesn't have the b@lls to follow through with this plan. I think he is worried about his "LEGACY". I fell I have the right to say that about GWB since I helped put him into office twice.

[Attillathehon]

Yes, and her husband was your president. I didn't vote for either one of them.

What's your point?

[betty boop]

Most Americans are still unaware of Iran’s promise to light up the skies with a great surprise on August 22, but Muslims everywhere are keenly aware of it; most await the day with growing excitement.

Interesting. (How's that for an understatement???)

Thanks for the post aculeus!

[aculeus]

Thanks for the post aculeus!

At your service, Ms Boop!

[gafusa]

Very true. There is a reason why China funds the Democrats,
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/china/mss-ops.htm This is a war for control of the world and its resources. We and our few real allies, are the only thing that keeps the evil nations (add Sudan to the list as well) in check. China has made their plans very obvious, their generals have released them in publicly available reports. The media and politicians just do not seem to care, so the sheeple remain ignorant. The idea is is to ruin our military capability, through ripping us a part internally, and a series of unconventional attacks, and the use of suicidal proxies (ie Muslims). Open borders, the "peace" movements all work to their advantage. Once we are eliminated from the equation who will stop them? France seems to be somewhat on their side as well, with all their alliances and agreements with the Chinese, though the Muslims plot the destruction of France. With us the Axis of Evil believes they can take out the rest of our remaining allies, the arey working within the US, Britain (recent bombings, other problems with Muslims) and Australia and Canada, and of course are supporting the Muslims and Communist uprisings in India, and the Communists in Columbia. Poland and Japan are probably the most internally secure, but on their own can be overrun. South Korea seems to be suffering internal malaise as well. The idea is to ruin our ability to fight, beat us before they start, so one massive strike will finish us. Of course the Axis will then break up and start fighting itself, and then it will be too late for the world. The might not be able to pull all this off, but they are certainly trying.

[Restorer]

I don't believe the Germans ever had any thought of taking over the entire USSR. I believe they could have conquered and held the European portion, west of the Urals. I don't think they would have had that much trouble crushing resistance once their formal enemny had dispersed. You must remember the Nazis had no problem at all with worrying about collateral damage. If they had to kill the "multiple racial and ethnic groups" of this area, that was doable for them.

I realize the Soviets coulnd't control things all that tightly, but the Nazis were a good deal more efficient than the commies at everything, especially killing.

To "conquer" the USSR, all Hitler would have had to do was disrupt its ability to continue to fight. The highly centralized nature of a Commie dictatorship makes it peculiarly susceptible to an attack on its nerve center. Many respected analysts believe the USSR would have collapsed had Moscow been occupied.

I agree that a more likely scenario would be an Africa and Eurasia controlled by the Axis, and Americas controlled by America. However, Latin American dictators would have been a fertile field for Nazi diplomacy and sooner or later it would tend to wind up with the US and Canada vs. the rest of the world. Such a confrontation could only end in one way, although it would probably have taken much longer than my speeded-up version posted earlier.