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Boys arrested for aiming toy gun at woman (Montgomery County Nanny State Alert!)
The Gazette (Mont. Co.) ^ | Aug. 1, 2006 | Olivia Doherty

Posted on 08/02/2006 9:42:22 AM PDT by markomalley

Two Potomac teens were arrested for flashing a toy gun at a woman last week...

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At about 9:55 p.m. on Thursday, a 29-year-old Rockville woman reported that two boys had aimed a gun at her while driving near the intersection of Westlake Drive and Tuckerman Lane in Bethesda...

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The brothers were arrested and charged as juveniles with first-degree assault and released to the custody of their father, police said.

Under state law, first-degree assault is a felony that can carry a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison.

Using a toy weapon in a crime carries the same charge and possible jail time as using a real weapon, police said.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.net ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: bethesda; montgomerycounty; nannystate; potomac; toygun; yougottabekidding
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To: beezdotcom

Kids shouldn't have toy guns. Someone will just take it off of them and pretend to shoot them with it. LOL


21 posted on 08/02/2006 9:58:10 AM PDT by Diggler
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To: MineralMan

You sound like a cop.

At least you had better be if you shoot a kid with a toy gun.

You will NOT be able to use the fact that it looked like a threat as an excuse. Then again this is in Maryland, the ONLY way you would be packing is if you're a cop.


22 posted on 08/02/2006 9:58:44 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: MineralMan

Sounds like they were Airsoft guns to me. They look pretty realistic, even with the obligatory orange muzzle tips.

It's obvious the parent hasn't taught these idjits a thing about real firearm safety.


23 posted on 08/02/2006 9:59:02 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: MineralMan
I agree completely. I wouldn't send these kids to jail, but it is not ridiculous to punish them for what they did. A toy gun can look pretty real when its business end is pointed your way.

When I was about 11 or 12, I was manning my corner as a school safety patrolman when two teenagers pulled up in a car, pointed a gun out the window, and told me to get in the car. I froze, and they pulled off laughing. I wrote down the license number and gave it to the crossing guard at our school when I went off duty. The police called me at home that afternoon to tell me the gun was a toy but they had nevertheless hauled the two kids in and read them the riot act. It was a scary experience, and had I been an adult and armed myself, it could have ended very badly.

24 posted on 08/02/2006 9:59:13 AM PDT by blau993
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To: Belasarius

I'd guess they were airsoft guns. Most are copies of actual pistols and they fire 6mm plastic BB's.

Me and my kids all have them. Plenty of fun for war games and it gives me an excuse to shoot my kids. (well protected of course)

However, that said, normal gun safety practices still apply ie; don't aim them at unsuspecting passersby.


25 posted on 08/02/2006 9:59:56 AM PDT by cyclotic (Support MS research-Sponsor my Ride-https://www.nationalmssociety.org//MIG/personal/default.asp?pa=4)
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To: Politicalmom

I loved my silver revolver that shot off caps. :)



Oh yea! And if all the caps did not shoot, you layed them on the sidewalk and hit them with a hammer! What fun we used to have before PC liberals took all our fun away.


26 posted on 08/02/2006 10:01:11 AM PDT by raisincane (Dims think we're all oblivious to the obvious)
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To: RedStateRocker
"No felony, but it is the most common capital offense nonetheless."

As in "Capital Hill"?
27 posted on 08/02/2006 10:01:33 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: markomalley
Actually the scenario for arrest sounds reasonable. I would have unloaded my gun into their car if they tried that here in SoFlo while we were driving. Especially if they had removed the red safety marker.

This sounds more like a couple of stupid kids who fortunately avoided a harder lesson than they could have gotten.

28 posted on 08/02/2006 10:01:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: LIConFem
But locking them up for up to 25 years would be far more stupid than the act itself.

Like I said, I think the outcome should be "a warning...and case dismissed." As long as that's what happens, I'm okay with the scare tactics up to that point.

I agree that it was a stupid thing to do, but kids are supposed to be stupid.

Sixteen is plenty old enough to know better. Perhaps I'd add one additional punishment for THAT kid: no driver's license until 18. Someone that stupid does NOT need to be behind the wheel - especially since he's already demonstrated an inability to contend with the impatience of other drivers.
29 posted on 08/02/2006 10:02:37 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Politicalmom

I was Roy Rogers and Las LaRue all rolled into one.

Of course now, I might be a little reluctant to be "Lash LaRue" what with all it's possible S & M implications. (LOL) Was he the first hero cowboy dressed in black? I liked him better than "Whip Wilson". None of these stage names will ever be as good ad "Beaver Cleaver"

Roy Rogers was redeemed by Dale Evans, Gabby Hayes and Trigger. He was very well dressed, in fact he was the best dressed cowboy.


30 posted on 08/02/2006 10:03:13 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: American_Centurion

Maybe in MD, but in most of the free states, reasonable fear of loss of life or limb is the standard. Doesn't matter if it's actually real or not, the shooter would deservedly get off scot-free.

Not all of us have to rely on the police to protect us.


31 posted on 08/02/2006 10:03:15 AM PDT by Diggler
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To: MineralMan

I gotta agree with this.
susie


32 posted on 08/02/2006 10:04:13 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: markomalley

Whatever happened to getting pulled over for a stern warning from a police officer? For a lot of people, that would be more than sufficient to make the point. Cuffing, transporting and charging a 13 year-old with a serious felony sounds extreme in this case.


33 posted on 08/02/2006 10:04:55 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: garyhope

Yeah, and we lost a number of windows back in that day too.
susie


34 posted on 08/02/2006 10:05:33 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: markomalley
This is ridiculous. Using a toy gun in a crime is the same as using a real gun. Fine. What was the crime?

Moreover, if pointing a toy gun at someone is a crime, then the kids could have been arrested for pointing it at each other.
35 posted on 08/02/2006 10:05:46 AM PDT by HaveHadEnough
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To: beezdotcom

You're right. I agree. When I was their age, I had real guns (long guns, not handguns). It was a different time.


36 posted on 08/02/2006 10:06:30 AM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: MineralMan
You do not point a gun, toy or not, at someone like these boys did. Period. Never. It's a good way to end up dead.

I don't agree with you about much.

But I finally found something we agree on.

37 posted on 08/02/2006 10:07:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: American_Centurion

"You sound like a cop.

At least you had better be if you shoot a kid with a toy gun.

You will NOT be able to use the fact that it looked like a threat as an excuse. Then again this is in Maryland, the ONLY way you would be packing is if you're a cop.

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Nope. I'm not a cop. I live in Minnesota, and have a CCW permit. When someone points a gun at me, it's not in my nature to examine it for a very long time. If I saw the colored tip, I'd hold fire, but lots of kids take those off or paint them.

Any parent who allows teenaged children to point even toy guns at people in adjacent automobiles needs to have his head examined.

I cannot imagine what my father would have done had I done something like that as a teenager, but it would have hurt...a lot.

You do not understand the situation. When someone points a gun at you, you have very little time to decide what to do. If you delay and the gun is real, you could be dead. If you do not delay, the person pointing the gun at you could be dead.

Children do not point guns at people if they have decent parents. Children who point guns at people in states where CCW is legal and common, end up dead. Further, in states that have passed laws regarding self defence in threat situations, the person who shoots the gun pointer is going to walk free.

Make no mistake. Pointing any sort of gun, toy or real, at another person, especially a stranger, could be your last act.

Teenagers? A sizable proportion of murders in this country are done by teenagers.


38 posted on 08/02/2006 10:08:42 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: No Blue States; markomalley
Wow, this is absurd.

I disagree. Pointing a gun at someone is a good way to get shot. Many states have laws that consider pointing a gun at someone a form of assault, and with good reason.

Given the stories about "road rage," and the fact that there's no way that the driver could know that this was a toy gun (and if it were pointed at you, would you really take the chance?)

If someone in a car points a gun at me, I'm taking evasive action and on the cell phone, dialing 911. And I'd be pulling a weapon, if I carried it.

Mark

39 posted on 08/02/2006 10:09:35 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Diggler

I really really doubt that you would get off scot free ANYWHERE under the circumstances described here.

You wouldn't if I were on the jury. I support both packing and using your firearm for self defense, but engaging a target in another vehicle is stupid 99% of the time in my opinion. If for no other reason than you can NOT BE SURE of either your target or what is beyond it.


40 posted on 08/02/2006 10:09:52 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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