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8/1 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/1/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/31/2006 9:38:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

The wife and father of kidnapped Israeli soldier Ehud Goldwasser, Karnit, holding a wedding photograph, and Shlomo Goldwasser arrive at Heathrow Airport in London, Monday July 31, 2006. Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering an Israeli offensive against Lebanon that has killed hundreds of people, mostly civilians.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; daralislam; dhimmis; dhimmitude; hezbollah; humanshieldsrus; iran; islam; israel; lebanon; middleeast; muhammadsminions; muslimcaliphate
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

LOL. I will be sure to pick up a six pack on the way home and toast to Lizarde.


421 posted on 08/01/2006 9:04:06 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Peach
Warning leaflet distributed by IDF for the safety of Lebanese in and south of Litani

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=55356&Pos=3&last=1&bScope=True

422 posted on 08/01/2006 9:05:14 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

Ynet

Peres: Syrian army won't go to war
(18:42 , 08.01.06)
'Disengagement explodes in northerner's faces'
(18:27 , 08.01.06)
Ahmedinejad rejects SC ultimatum
(18:05 , 08.01.06)
400 Hizbullah operatives killed
(18:04 , 08.01.06)

haaretz

18:54 EU announces 50 million euros ($64 million) in humanitarian aid for Lebanon (AP)
18:50 PM Olmert due to give speech at IDF base near Tel Aviv (Haaretz)
18:29 Saudi Arabia donates US$2 million for aid for Lebanon (AP)
18:18 Industry leaders demand that Haifa factories be given financial assistance (AP)
18:13 Kuwait gives Palestinians $50 million to help them cope with `Israeli barbarity` (AP)


JPost.com » Headlines


Saudi Arabia donates $2 million in aid to Lebanon
[ 01/08 18:24 - MIDDLE EAST ]
Halutz undergoes further tests for stomach pains
[ 01/08 18:01 - ISRAEL ]
Syrian MP vows self-defense if 'dragged' into war
[ 01/08 17:44 - MIDDLE EAST ]
Police confiscate 35 kilos of hashish in south
[ 01/08 17:34 - ISRAEL ]
Ramallah: Palestinians march to support Hizbullah
[ 01/08 17:00 updated 18:08 - ISRAEL ]

Arutz

18:43 Aug-01-06
Fundamentally Freund: Palestinians Call for Attacks on US & Israel
18:42 Aug-01-06
Arab MK. Ninth of Av Entry to Temple Mount Will Ignite Intifada
18:25 Aug-01-06
Rockets Knock Out Cable Car
18:13 Aug-01-06
Cracks in Support for EU Cease Fire Proposal
17:58 Aug-01-06
None Injured in Katyusha Attack
17:52 Aug-01-06
Two Killed in Strike on Gaza Rocket Launchers
17:13 Aug-01-06
Fatah Supports Hizbullah Calls to Bomb Tel Aviv


423 posted on 08/01/2006 9:05:20 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: hegemony

Hmm. I think you are right. August 22nd was Rabeb 7th? on the arabic calender. Which was the day Mohammed took Jeruselem.

I think that's right. Anyone can feel free to correct me.


424 posted on 08/01/2006 9:05:30 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Allegra

Stay safe. You're in my prayers.

My son's best friend just got back from the sandbox with lots of encouraging stories and info.

Thanks for bucking us up when MSM manages to get through our filters... ;-)

Pinz


425 posted on 08/01/2006 9:06:04 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: CougarGA7

Ohlmert is speaking live now on CNN Pipeline


426 posted on 08/01/2006 9:06:20 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
INDEED. These parts are quite thought provoking and sobering, to me:

= = =

3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks [a] and make your home on the heights, you who say to yourself, 'Who can bring me down to the ground?'

[Methinks that there are many countries, individuals, groups, . . . who are vulnerable on that score]

4 Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, from there I will bring you down," declares the LORD.

[Again, interesting how many facts come together in our era re Biblical prophecies--100's more than any other time in history.]

6 But how Esau will be ransacked, his hidden treasures pillaged!

[What people groups would this prophecy now include?]

7 All your allies will force you to the border; your friends will deceive and overpower you; those who eat your bread will set a trap for you, [b] but you will not detect it.

[I expect to see this literally come true.]

8 "In that day," declares the LORD, "will I not destroy the wise men of Edom, men of understanding in the mountains of Esau?

[many wise in their own eyes around the world are scheduled for similar destruction.]

9 Your warriors, O Teman, will be terrified, and everyone in Esau's mountains will be cut down in the slaughter.

[Any expert commentaries on specifically what people groups and geographic areas are included in this one?]

10 Because of the violence against your brother Jacob, you will be covered with shame; you will be destroyed forever.

[Millions of Islamics will discover this will literally come very emphatically and specifically true.]

11 On the day you stood aloof while strangers carried off his wealth and foreigners entered his gates and cast lots for Jerusalem, you were like one of them.

[Some assert that this sort of thing will occur again as a temporary discipline driving Israel to God Almighty yet again from their secular, rebellious state. Others seem to think this is referring to past such. I could argue either way. What are some opinions hereon on the above?]

12 You should not look down on your brother in the day of his misfortune, nor rejoice over the people of Judah in the day of their destruction, nor boast so much in the day of their trouble.

[I think many Christians forget God's exhortations about such. Certainly Islamics do. It's almost a doctrine of their faith to gloat and exclaim over their enemies' misfortune or victories over their enemies. God will have them suffer WORSE than even otherwise because of such habits and actions and attitudes. This will be literally true.]

13 You should not march through the gates of my people in the day of their disaster, nor look down on them in their calamity in the day of their disaster, nor seize their wealth in the day of their disaster.

[A sobering warning that Islamics will certainly ignore, if they have the chance. But I think their victory, if such is still future, will be very short lived.]

14 You should not wait at the crossroads to cut down their fugitives, nor hand over their survivors in the day of their trouble.

["in the day of their trouble" is a phrase that indicates to me that it's still future in these End Times.]

15 "The day of the LORD is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.

[Thankfully, MOSTLY, on this score, I think the USA has some hopefulness. Though not across the board. We have not been 100% pure in all our overseas adventures all the time. But I like to think we are markedly ahead of most all other nations on such scores.]

16 Just as you drank on my holy hill, so all the nations will drink continually; they will drink and drink and be as if they had never been.

[Curious passage. Clearly future, imho. I wonder what the cryptic meaning refers to.]

17 But on Mount Zion will be deliverance; it will be holy, and the house of Jacob will possess its inheritance.

[PRAISE GOD, DELIVERANCE IS ALSO AHEAD AND EMPHATICALLY SURE BY GOD ALMIGHTY'S HAND, NOT BY THE HAND OF MAN.]

18 The house of Jacob will be a fire and the house of Joseph a flame; the house of Esau will be stubble, and they will set it on fire and consume it. There will be no survivors from the house of Esau." The LORD has spoken.

[THIS, TOO, WILL CERTAINLY BECOME LITERALLY TRUE. NO survivors. Fire consuming it . . . war fires? fuel airosol bombs? Nukes? Fire from Heaven? All the above?]

19 People from the Negev will occupy the mountains of Esau, and people from the foothills will possess the land of the Philistines. They will occupy the fields of Ephraim and Samaria, and Benjamin will possess Gilead.

[Not yet, as I understand things--but 100% certain to occur.]

20 This company of Israelite exiles who are in Canaan will possess the land as far as Zarephath; the exiles from Jerusalem who are in Sepharad will possess the towns of the Negev.

[Not yet, as far as I know . . . ? . . . but certain to be the case.]

21 Deliverers will go up on [c] Mount Zion to govern the mountains of Esau. And the kingdom will be the LORD's.

[I think this will be after Armageddon.]

Footnotes:

1. Obadiah 1:3 Or of Sela
2. Obadiah 1:7 The meaning of the Hebrew for this clause is uncertain
3. Obadiah 1:21 Or from

427 posted on 08/01/2006 9:06:26 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)
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To: CougarGA7

Disregard post 424. The answer is in post 404. Hard to keep up with these threads sometimes.


428 posted on 08/01/2006 9:07:11 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7

Today is the anniversary of the start of WWI.

Will it be the start of a hot war that will be the next hot world war?


429 posted on 08/01/2006 9:07:23 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: InterceptPoint

Okay, but if you look at it from a simple PR stance, Iran calling for a cease-fire gives the "impression" they are a peace loving group of nice folks- at least to the idiotic masses over there who cling to his every word. He now appears to be the peaceful guardian of the ME and Israel is made to look like the stubborn, murdering maniacs. This also gives him ground to accuse the Great Satan of being the true aggressor.


430 posted on 08/01/2006 9:07:53 AM PDT by hegemony
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To: CougarGA7

These threads get out of control sometimes....I only skim the last 100 posts.....cant read all that stuff from overnight.


431 posted on 08/01/2006 9:08:02 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: hegemony

"The Missles of 27 Rajab"

Thanks for the link. If the Iraniac follows through with his plan, I just hope that GWB has pretargeted enough sites in the muslim world to make them realize that it is the end of the line for islam.


432 posted on 08/01/2006 9:09:14 AM PDT by RouxStir (Refreshingly Offensive, with Hints of Cohiba and Auchentoshen.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Peres: Syrian army won't go to war
(18:42 , 08.01.06) -- How does he know this for sure?


433 posted on 08/01/2006 9:09:29 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
In fact, "world opinion" is constantly upset with America and Israel, two of the most decent countries on earth, yet silent about the world's cruelest countries.

This is the curse of liberal socialism.

Anne Coulters attacks on them ARE perfectly justified and true!

Wake up America!!!!

434 posted on 08/01/2006 9:10:02 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: BurbankKarl

Too right. I started at #300 today.

Someone let me know if I skipped anything crucial. :-)

And now I'm really going.... bbl

Pinz


435 posted on 08/01/2006 9:10:04 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

I've got the strong feeling that George Bush is really standing at the precipice of history. If he blinks, Israel gets erased off the map, and the West will fall.

= = = =

ISRAEL will never again be wiped off the map.

The sun would stop shining, first.

She will likely be shaken within an inch of her existence in some respects . . . driving her more fully and truly back to Almighty God. But Almighty God has schedule her deliverance much more emphatically than anything else about her in this era.


436 posted on 08/01/2006 9:10:49 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)
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To: InterceptPoint; sageb1
According to this article hezbollah=iran has planned and worked for this for the last 6 years http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1832931,00.html
437 posted on 08/01/2006 9:11:16 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

I hope and pray you are right.

And, that the evil doers will be kept far from him in the process.


438 posted on 08/01/2006 9:11:27 AM PDT by Quix (BIBLE says it's coming; prophecies indicate our era; Shrillery is eager; Global tyrannical gov looms)
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To: Allegra

I don't know that any of us can be certain on much of anything at this point. You've known me for quite awhile- I've had no problem when my daughter has deployed three times over there, but my future SIL is headed there this week and I am not in a good place about it at all. Maybe it's just all the focus in the news.

In any regard- YOU STAY SAFE, and do what your gut tells you to do no matter what.


439 posted on 08/01/2006 9:11:48 AM PDT by hegemony
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To: Quix

Ohlmert saying Israel will not enter any cease fire agreement without a guarantee that forces have been removed that can fire rockets on its terrority.


440 posted on 08/01/2006 9:11:55 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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