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Jaws of Defeat-America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 31, 2006 | David Horowitz

Posted on 07/31/2006 5:09:06 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 07/31/2006 5:09:08 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
The American Left would like to see Iran wipe us out. That is frightening.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

2 posted on 07/31/2006 5:12:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson

It's interesting that Mr Horowitz already has Israel losing the "war". I don't think I agree with him other that the part about a divided America.


3 posted on 07/31/2006 5:13:21 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: SJackson
What ever happens in Lebanon, both side will claim victory, but neither side will really win.

Israel is locked into a generational war of attrition, neither side has the means to win decisively.

There is only one place where this war is to be decided and that is Iraq.

If we can build a stable democratic relatively peaceful Iraq, then we will send a real message to the other two rogue states Syria and Iran.

At the moment they see us bogged down in Iraq, and if we cannot create a stable Iraq we are less inclined to go for a direct regime change in Syria and Iran, but if we do declare a victory there it will have the following benefits.

1) It is possible to directly enact regime change .

2)It will free up resources for the next stage.

And with the experience we have garnered we will not make as many of the same mistakes.

I would target Iran next, Syria will fall without Iran, and without Iran and Syria, the Palestinians Hezzballa and other terrorist organistions will have to come to the conclusion that the armed struggle is not going to last and they will have to find peaceful means with dealing with Israel

4 posted on 07/31/2006 5:14:07 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: SJackson; sure_fine

If true, this is worrying me no end.


5 posted on 07/31/2006 5:14:21 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: SJackson

Unfortunately Horowitz is wrong. If we fail in Iraq and Israel fails in Lebanon the left will be able to claim victory. The sheeple won't take the time or devote the intellectual energy required to sort out the details. They will simply assume Bush and the conservatives were in charge and they failed.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 5:15:51 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: goldstategop

The Jewish left in America is also responsible for the left having any say in American politics. Sad, really..


7 posted on 07/31/2006 5:16:09 AM PDT by Wright Wing
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To: SJackson
The division of America is the greatest threat to our ability to prevail in the War on Terror – and the Left knows this and is incited by it. America is not divided enough for the American Left, which is now in full purge mode in Connecticut, where it is attempting to bring down the one statesman in the Democratic Party who might re-unite this country in the face of its enemies.

Al-Sadr, it should be noted, is alive and in the field because the appeasers in this country, beginning with the Democratic Party but extending into the Bush State Department, stymied the first battle of Fallujah when al-Sadr was trapped and could have been killed and his militia destroyed. The Bush administration had to delay the attack until after Kerry’s defeat in the November 2004 elections in order to avoid the political complications that would have attended the battle in the midst of an election campaign.

8 posted on 07/31/2006 5:20:02 AM PDT by Obadiah (Liberals: Blazingly Stupid!)
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To: SJackson

I hope I'm not giving away any secrets, but I see it a different way.

There will be war with Syria and Iran.

This operation is the first part of it, and it's objective is to secure Israels northern flank from infantry and Katusha attack from Lebanon.

Ultimately, an armed military UN backed buffer force will be inserted in South Lebanon. Any attacks on it will be seen as an attack on the UN. Hopefully, as many nationalities as possible will contribute. Those Nations will find it very difficult to withdraw their troops from a UN mandated mission. Hopefully Israel will be guaranteed security by the UN as part of it.

When this part is complete, the next stages will be the removal of Assad from the Syrian scene (by one means or another), and military action against Iran.


11 posted on 07/31/2006 5:25:15 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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If we are to believe NPR and the other gleeful pollsters, Bush's effective presidency will end with the November election. Therfore he should take advantage of his time left to inflict maximum damage on our enemies before the cringing Democrats close the spigot.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 5:26:02 AM PDT by Dionysius
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13 posted on 07/31/2006 5:26:22 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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They're only going to lose because it appears they are going to allow diplomatic pressure to cause them to stop. It's hard to square the notion that Israel has to fight this war because the Jewish State is in mortal danger with their statements that they will not launch a massive ground invasion.

I hate to say it. but it is starting to appear that Israel has soundly smacked the tar baby.


14 posted on 07/31/2006 5:27:12 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I have to take a shower.)
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To: goldstategop

how many times does Islam have to declare war before people listen?
I'm amazed.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 5:28:26 AM PDT by PointRider
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To: SJackson; Liz
America is not divided enough for the American Left, which is now in full purge mode in Connecticut, where it is attempting to bring down the one statesman (Lieberman) in the Democratic Party who might re-unite this country in the face of its enemies.

Good grief. The leftist majority is so far left that people like Horowitz are bamboozled into thinking that a lib like Lieberman is a statesman.

16 posted on 07/31/2006 5:29:39 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: tonycavanagh

You said: "If we can build a stable democratic relatively peaceful Iraq, "

Maybe we can build a stairway to the moon also.

We are dealing with Muslims here, not rational people.


17 posted on 07/31/2006 5:30:49 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: tonycavanagh
Israel is locked into a generational war of attrition, neither side has the means to win decisively

Israel has the means to win decisively, more to the point is do they have the will to make it happen. The so-called world opinion is also something Israel considers when dealing with this. Look at the outcry over a few dead future terrorists and the progenitors of future terrorists.

18 posted on 07/31/2006 5:32:52 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: SJackson
" It is Iraq, where Iran’s Shi’ia armies are already in the field under the command of the sheik of Sadr City, the America-hating cleric Moqtadar al-Sadr. Al-Sadr, it should be noted, is alive and in the field because the appeasers in this country, beginning with the Democratic Party but extending into the Bush State Department, stymied the first battle of Fallujah when al-Sadr was trapped and could have been killed and his militia destroyed. The Bush administration had to delay the attack until after Kerry’s defeat in the November 2004 elections in order to avoid the political complications that would have attended the battle in the midst of an election campaign."

I admire Horowitz very much, but I think he is wrong about Mookie's involvement in the battle of Fallujah. Mookie's thugs took over Najf and had to be extricated from the cemetery around the mosque. Fallujah was manned by Sunni extremists.

His general complaint that we should have done more about Mookie is good, but I think he is wrong on this point.
19 posted on 07/31/2006 5:34:15 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Wright Wing
The Jewish left in America is also responsible for the left having any say in American politics. Sad, really..

They've been pulling the strings since Jefferson, a mason.

20 posted on 07/31/2006 5:36:47 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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