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Jaws of Defeat-America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 31, 2006 | David Horowitz

Posted on 07/31/2006 5:09:06 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: raybbr
re: Horowitz are bamboozled into thinking that a lib like Lieberman is a statesman.)))

The Senate is about to lose its only pro-Israel Democrat. Horowitz wants to give him all the help he can. If Repubs can vote in the Dem Conn primary, here's a chance.

That all said, I can see from DH's tone that he is now well and truly a conservative and no liberal cells remain in his system. He has embraced the Tragic Vision, whether he realizes it or not. Long defeats and fruitless victories...

21 posted on 07/31/2006 5:38:49 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Gopublican

I noticed that things are moving along well in the rest of the country.


23 posted on 07/31/2006 5:41:32 AM PDT by DaiHuy (I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it worse)
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To: caver
It's interesting that Mr Horowitz already has Israel losing the "war". I don't think I agree with him.

I felt pretty good about things until yesterday, but unfortunately it looks like Horowitz is correct. The Islamic Swine have gotten the world and Israel to focus on these so-called civilian casualties. And once saving some Lebanese child or children is more important that eliminating the missiles they are sleeping next to, it's all over. To the Islamic Swine, the women and children are just weapons of war. Take a look at one of those Pali Summer Bomb-belt camps for boys. Israel should be seeing these places as military targets. The world needs to be reminded that Israel's goal is only to disarm the Islamic Swine. The goal of the Islamic Swine is the same one that Adolph Hitler had. Fortunatley no one whined about civilian casualties when we eradicated Hitler's Army. (I'm not even thinking of German civilians in places like Dresden. I'm thinking of French civilians. But back then the New York Times was on our side.)

ML/NJ

24 posted on 07/31/2006 5:44:26 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I have to agree with you. I also heard yesterday about Israel regretting bombing that building. They had told those people for days to get out of the "war" zone. The press is always going to be against Israel.

I guess I am trying to be optimistic and not believe that Israel and the US will lose. I wonder why Horowitz is so convinced though? Does he think we are finally succumbing to the liberals?


25 posted on 07/31/2006 5:48:57 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: goldstategop

Sorry, but the left isn't making the decisions. In this circumstance can you explain to me how a US capitulation would not be Bush's fault?


27 posted on 07/31/2006 5:54:50 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace__Freedom is Slavery__Ignorance is Strength)
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To: SJackson

There is no logistical reason why Israel should not prevail, but they can't do it from the air. Just like the U.S. has done in Iraq, it will require going door to door in southern Lebanon, routing out Hezbollah one by one.

Unfortunately, there would be lots of Israeli casulaties, just like we've suffered lots of casualties. Don't know if Israel has the stomach for it or if Lebanon would stand for it. But I'm convinced that's they only way Israel can win along this front.


28 posted on 07/31/2006 5:58:44 AM PDT by randita
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Despite appearances, this isn't true.

Israel is fighting for its very existence and losing is not an option. IMHO, Olmert, a nice man, has to go and must be replaced by Bibi or someone with military experience and a fighting spirit.

In countries around the world we have seen a noticeable shift to the right in leadership due to the attack of militant islam. This is happening in Israel and in the U.S. as well. Many Jews on the left are moving to the right because they must to choose between their love of liberalism (and its denial of reality) and their intrinsic love of Israel. The majority will choose Israel as will most Americans. Even the ever dopey John Kerry knows the Hezzies must be defeated.

Anyway, WWIII (or IV) has begun and some battles may be lost in the media, but this war will end with the islamic world in shambles.

29 posted on 07/31/2006 6:02:25 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: randita
Don't know if Israel has the stomach for it or if Lebanon would stand for it.

When one is fighting for his/her very existence, having a "stomach for it" isn't an issue.

31 posted on 07/31/2006 6:03:59 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: SJackson

I don't see the Israelis backing down any time soon. They will be under intense diplomatic pressure, but that has always been the case. Until President Bush turns on them, they will stay the course. And it will be a long time before President Bush turns on them. Hopefully long enough for them to complete their task.

Any resolution that leave the Hezballoonians in place is a victory for terror. President Bush realizes this. I have confidence he will not make this happen. Hopefully my confidence is not misplaced.


32 posted on 07/31/2006 6:04:22 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: tonycavanagh

What would happen in Iraq if we turned Tehran into a smoking ruin? With conventional weapons. Or if we succeeded in a strike taking out Irans political leadership?


33 posted on 07/31/2006 6:07:38 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: SJackson

Huh? I didn't know we/US were fighting in Lebenon?


34 posted on 07/31/2006 6:10:55 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: gridlock
Until President Bush turns on them, they will stay the course.

I don't believe that is possible, if the Prez is a true born-again Christian.

35 posted on 07/31/2006 6:14:30 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

I can only hope so, DS.


36 posted on 07/31/2006 6:15:13 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage. Try it!)
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To: plenipotentiary
Ultimately, an armed military UN backed buffer force will be inserted in South Lebanon. Any attacks on it will be seen as an attack on the UN. Hopefully, as many nationalities as possible will contribute. Those Nations will find it very difficult to withdraw their troops from a UN mandated mission. Hopefully Israel will be guaranteed security by the UN as part of it.

I am sorry, but you are daydreaming if you think the UN will actually do something that has an effect on anything let alone this war. When was the last time the UN did anything that worked? Did they ever actually keep the peace? No. Have their UN forces ever actually engaged anyone in combat and won? (not counting Korea, which was before the communist gained control of the UN.)No. The UN is useless and counting on them for anything is pretty much of a pipe dream.

37 posted on 07/31/2006 6:17:12 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: raybbr
Good grief. The leftist majority is so far left that people like Horowitz are bamboozled into thinking that a lib like Lieberman is a statesman.

Everything is relative my son. Compared to the rest of the Demoncrats - Lieberman IS a statesman.

Of course compared to the rest of the Demoncrats - Daffy Duck would sound like a statesman.

38 posted on 07/31/2006 6:19:35 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: 7thson
re :What would happen in Iraq if we turned Tehran into a smoking ruin? With conventional weapons.

We would cause the war to spread, and would further desataberlise those nations deemed pro western probably causing Islamic fundamentalist regime changes in those countries.

Also Tehran is where most of the moderate Iranian citizens live, most of the current regimes power base is from the poorer communities outside the major cities.

re : Or if we succeeded in a strike taking out Iran's political leadership?

Now that is a good idea but only if we know who will take there place.

Iran is weak economically large amounts of her oil revenue is being used to support very militia units such as the revolutionary guard, not only to counter any American invasion, but more importantly to soak up the poor young and unemployed they are given money and status, we need to start hitting Iran harder economically.

Iran is a house of cards with massive unemployment, the present regime is surviving through buying its thug supporters and more harsher measures.

I am all for limited strikes if needed to halt its nuclear program but leave the Iranian civilians out of the war, because with the right handling they can be out ace against the present regime

39 posted on 07/31/2006 6:22:52 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: funkywbr
Hezbollah is our enemy, too

Huh? I didn't know we/US were fighting in Leb[a]non?

40 posted on 07/31/2006 6:23:07 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Ever had Vuja de? That feeling that you've never ever been here before? :)
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