Jaws of Defeat-America and Israel are going to lose the war in Lebanon

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 31, 2006 | David Horowitz

[Enchante]

"Remove Iran"

I'm all for that, 200%...... but how will it happen? The left is so dominant in Europe and becoming resurgent in the USA (tying the hands of "western" leaders), and I don't know that any US administration is really going to go after the Mullahs. Will Israel? I suppose they may be getting to a point where they have to, but when we see the limited viability of thousands of airstrikes in Lebanon it's hard to see how the IAF can take out all that needs to be hit in a must vaster country like Iran.

[JasonC]

Oh and when the European press has a cow and their diplomats shake with rage and shower you with their denunciations, offer to pay for a plane ticket on any European national airline for any Arab who wants to go to France or Germany and England - assuming those will of course bend over backwards to take them all in!

[okie01]

Ultimately, an armed military UN backed buffer force will be inserted in South Lebanon. Any attacks on it will be seen as an attack on the UN. Hopefully, as many nationalities as possible will contribute. Those Nations will find it very difficult to withdraw their troops from a UN mandated mission. Hopefully Israel will be guaranteed security by the UN as part of it.

With all due respect, there was already an "armed military UN backed buffer force" in South Lebanon -- UNIFIL -- which was there to "guarantee security" for Israel.

However, UNIFIL saw Hezbollah arming itself and building fortified strong points...and did absolutely nothing about it. UNIFIL was still "in place" when this war began!

Any multi-national force cannot be a UN operation.

[Enchante]

Yes, he is mixing up Al-Sadr with what happened in Fallujah, but they were distinct events -- though if IIRC it all went down about the same time, April 2004??, when the Sunni terrorists in Fallujah were going nuts and Mookie tried to take advantage of the situation by pushing in Najaf, etc. I think, IIRC, that Horowitz is wrong to conflate Fallujah with what Mookie was up to, but still correct in the overall point that it was political correctness that caused us to restrain our forces in both situations. One thing we still don't know (or at least I don't) is what the internal discussions were like between the interim Iraqi leaders and US officers and officials in-country, i.e., maybe a lot of the restrain came from Iraqi leaders who said they would break with the USA if we came down hard on Fallujah and Mookie, etc. That's not to say we shouldn't have done it, but we may not be talking only about our domestic left causing the restraint........

[midnightson]

Israel is locked into a generational war of attrition,



Western civilization, not just Israel

[plenipotentiary]

No. UNIFIL was essentially an unarmed observer mission.

[plenipotentiary]

The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, UNIFIL, is one of the UN’s oldest peacekeeping operations. Its nearly 2,000 troops and 50 unarmed military observers are tasked with seeking to maintain a ceasefire along the 70-mile (121 km) United Nations “Blue Line” between Israel and Lebanon, by patrolling, observing, reporting violations and liaising with the parties.

UNIFIL was established in 1978 by the United Nations Security Council (Resolution 425). The Council authorized “a United Nations interim force for Southern Lebanon for the purpose of confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces, restoring international peace and security and assisting the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area….”

See, a pasive force, no military enforcement at all.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/factsheet.pdf

[Maurice Tift]

I've been reading a book called 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam' and it seems that history with respect to Islam has been repeating itself for the past 13 centuries. Deals and cease-fires just don't work. When Ann Coulter joked about invading their countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity, she was making a pretty good point.

[okie01]

No. UNIFIL was essentially an unarmed observer mission

My mistake; they weren't armed. But the rest of my response was correct.

Any other UN force, armed or not, will prove just as useless.

[chasio649]

Maybe we can build a stairway to the moon also.

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That would be easier ;)

[tonycavanagh]

LOL this is going no where you say the operation will work.

I say it wont.

You say the IFD has the means and capability to carry it out I say they don't.

But what ever we say will have no effect on the situation.

So thanks for the debate it was interesting.

[tonycavanagh]

Would continue this debate but invited on a government sponsored holiday.

God Willing will be back in six months time to maybe continue