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Frightening internal polling (House GOP to lose 30 seats?)
RedState ^ | Jul 30th, 2006 | HoosierTeacher

Posted on 07/30/2006 2:06:41 PM PDT by rface

Rush Limbaugh announced on his show that the GOP house internal polling shows a circa 30 seat loss for 2006.

It is hard for me to write much on this subject, as internal polling is secretive and not generaly available to public scrutiny. But there are some thoughts for discussion here.

One, is Rush correct? I don't think Rush makes it up as he goes along. He is human, and can make errors (as can anybody talking solo for 15 hours a week). But I haven't known him to lie outright on a political matter ever. I believe Rush has reported what he has gleaned from a GOP member of congress or a staffer.

Two, is the information correct? Is it a leak, or a misinformation campaign? I guess I don't see much value in leaking incorrect data to Rush exagerating a potential house loss. So I tend to believe the leaker was being accurate.

Three, should Rush have reported this (and should I write about it)? No to the first part. Internal polling is not meant to be leaked or reported. Once millions of Rush listeners have the info, it is already public and so I offer it here for your analysis.

Four, implications? Internal polling isn't the "for public" polling that you get from groups like Zogby, Gallup, Rasmussen, etc. Internal polling is the hard core, scientific, no spin accurate stuff that the candidates and the parties get and is held close to their vests. Only the best of the best work directly for the parties and candidates. My point is that if the information Rush reported is accurate, there are dark times ahead.

Implications go beyond this too. With the recent failure of the GOP by raising the minimum wage and cutting (but enshrining) a major tax, and with no movement on issues like arctic and offshore drilling, the slow pace of federal court appointments, and unreal spending, the GOP is losing the base. Despite our war on terror and a robust economy, Americans see casualty numbers and gas prices.

Having just adjourned for a recess, I see little the house can do other than campaign localy in the near term. If we blow this election we have no one to blame other than ourselves (a moderate to liberal GOP senate and a spend happy house).

"Where have you gone Ronald Reagan, a nation turns it's lonely eyes to you".


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006polls; bushbasherswonderwhy; conservabotstoblame; election2006; electionconngress; elephanteatsownhead; geeiwonderwhy; predictions; timetolookinmirror; wearedoomed
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To: rface
I heard it as well. Perhaps if the Pubbies didn't eat their own we wouldn't have this problem. But too many would rather have Marxist leftists than what they call RINOS. One wonders at the mentality.
241 posted on 07/30/2006 5:52:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Bush claiming that the Geneva Conventions Apply to Guantanamo Detainees for starters.

Try again, Rummy

242 posted on 07/30/2006 5:52:49 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: madison10
Didn't buy my vote, I found it to be disgusting. IMO, illegal immigration is one of the maind disconnects between the GOP and the base. Also, not defending OUR agenda enough and giving in to RINOS & libs.

Me neither, but raising the minimum wage is a political winner. Most people are for it.

243 posted on 07/30/2006 5:53:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: RFEngineer
When the voter can't tell the difference between a republican or a democrat, then the GOP should be concerned.

Thank you for at least admitting the truth.

When a voter can't tell the difference between these two parties, then the GOP has absolutely nothing to worry about because there's little it can do to correct such a woefully warped perception.

244 posted on 07/30/2006 5:54:02 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: BushMeister; Coop

231 (R)
-16
______
215 (R)

201(D)
+16
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217 (D)


Say we win both open seats, that makes it even with Sanders making it a Dem congress.
What am I missing?


245 posted on 07/30/2006 5:54:07 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: MaineVoter2002
The leaks from the CIA to the terrorists via NYT continue and nothing's done about it.

Oh fer two, Rummy!

246 posted on 07/30/2006 5:54:46 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Mamzelle
There is a complete disconnect between the elite GOPers and the base. And no amount of screaming from the base makes any impression.

You are right. At least it makes very littl eimpression. The GOP House has become, in attitude at least, what they replaced 12 years ago.

247 posted on 07/30/2006 5:55:52 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Coop

As a 1st generation American Jew and a USAir Force Vet who volunteered to defend your arse sure as hell hope my Fn vote counts more than your salied in with the pilgrams and had black slaves vote.


248 posted on 07/30/2006 5:56:56 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: stands2reason
What you're missing is that I never claimed anything about 30 being needed. It's a joke of a claim, and I'm treating it as such. Could the GOP lose control of the House? Perhaps. But I've seen no tangible evidence it will occur, and it's too early to worry about.

Could the GOP lose 30 seats? I suppose so, if the Dems sweep all 40 or so vulnerable seats in the House (which has about a 98% re-election rate for incumbents).

But I won't mind too much, because if that occurs I'll be sleeping with Anna Kournikova.

249 posted on 07/30/2006 5:59:48 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: zeugma
I don't know. Among actual conservative folk, that might well lose a few votes, or at least make them feel not so bad about sitting the election out.

Yes, but they'll gain more than they lose, and at the very least it takes the issue off the table. The current economic expansion is based on higher prices. The price of government is higher, the price for energy, the price for raw materials, and the price for housing. I would prefer sound economic governance, but we're not going to get that from the current crop of Republican leaders. The best they can do is give a minimum wage increase.

250 posted on 07/30/2006 6:01:11 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: funkywbr

When you sober up there, FlyBoy, try posting again. Perhaps I'll comprehend enough to be offended.


251 posted on 07/30/2006 6:01:25 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Moonman62; All

So everything has to be cheap?? Since when does housing has to be cheap? Since when has gas to be cheap??


252 posted on 07/30/2006 6:03:26 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Coop
Thanks!
253 posted on 07/30/2006 6:03:58 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: KevinDavis

Ask him what his excuse for the red-hot economy was when there was no inflation and, in fact, deflation worries. ;-)


254 posted on 07/30/2006 6:04:53 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop
And "real conservative" voters that weren't so darned gullible! :-D


Yeah, but you can give up on that one, LOL.

MM

255 posted on 07/30/2006 6:06:49 PM PDT by MississippiMan (Behold now behemoth...he moves his tail like a cedar. Job 40:17)
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To: Coop; All

His head will probaly explode....


256 posted on 07/30/2006 6:07:03 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Coop

Dont hurt yourself.


257 posted on 07/30/2006 6:09:40 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: Coop
When a voter can't tell the difference between these two parties, then the GOP has absolutely nothing to worry about because there's little it can do to correct such a woefully warped perception.

So, you're depending on complaisantness for gains in 2006?

Sorry. I dont vote for the "R". I vote for the issues and I look at results and obviously these internal polls show that the American people do to and prove you wrong.

258 posted on 07/30/2006 6:11:57 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Moonman62
The way I understand it, the Pubbies in the House designed the minimum wage bill in such a way that if it did pass the House (which it did), it would be doomed in the Senate where you need 60 votes just to get something to the floor. They included "poison pills" (to quote Nancy Pelosi)like estate tax reform and other things to benefit their "rich business friends". Pretty smart of them to do that for once because it puts the Senate Democrats in a pickle - vote against the minimum wage increase or for "tax cuts for the rich".
259 posted on 07/30/2006 6:13:53 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: KevinDavis
So everything has to be cheap?? Since when does housing has to be cheap? Since when has gas to be cheap??

You're putting words in my mouth. Good economic policy and restrained government growth makes things affordable. Prices stay stable, salaries go up, and most people enjoy a higher standard of living.

260 posted on 07/30/2006 6:17:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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