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Science Fiction has become a poisoned well . .
7-27-06 | Marc Costanzo

Posted on 07/27/2006 6:49:43 PM PDT by marc costanzo

The essay below was originally written in the early Spring of 2001:

With the passing away of LEXX ends an intriguing albeit tawdry experiment in Sci-fantasy. One that breaks with conventions, or should I say cliches of TV sci-fi of the 90's . The politically correct pabulum, the multicultural indoctrination, the BladeRunner motifs, and not the least; the steroid mutated superbabes that can punch the lights out of men, but never get punched back in return !?

How about creating a new sci-fi anthology with none of the puerile baggage of Rod Serling, Rockne Obannon, Michael J. Stracinsky, etc .. It is time to end their reign of un-American cynicism and fatalism !


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: canada; entertainment; fiction; firefly; heinlein; lexx; media; sciencefiction; scifi; serenity; tv; vanity
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To: muawiyah
So don't be so anxious to gloat over the Moslems.

Yeah. I posted later about that. Christians are few and far between as well. 

261 posted on 07/28/2006 6:45:11 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: KevinDavis

He "gets it," though. The inclusion of religion and belief gave B5's characters a richness Star Trek never had. G'Kar and Londo Molari are classic examples.

We borrowed the collection from a fellow B5 fan that works with my husband. Our son is seeing these for the first time and just loves them.

"Two little fishes, swimming in the sea,
"Two little fishes, just Londo and me."

- G'Kar's song from the "elevator" scene (a HUGE personal fav!)


262 posted on 07/28/2006 6:46:28 AM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: DBrow
Gordon Dickson's Dorsai stories.

Those were great!

263 posted on 07/28/2006 6:49:34 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: KevinDavis

Do you have a SF ping list? If so, please add me.


264 posted on 07/28/2006 6:49:59 AM PDT by Kieri (Dump "Dangerously Incompetent" Debbie, Support Keith Butler for Senate)
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To: mrsmith
Second Secretary Jaime Retief- Ambassador to the Stars

Discovered that series when I was a kid...loved it!

265 posted on 07/28/2006 6:51:13 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: marc costanzo

Read "Slan", a classic


266 posted on 07/28/2006 6:59:03 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: CaptRon

As others have pointed out... There are no muslims in the future...

"Actually, I know of one. In Niven and Pournelle's "The Mote In God's Eye" there is a Muslim character. However, even in the future he is duplicitous and conniving."

Add in Dr. "Stinky" Mahmoud in Heinlein's "Stranger In A Strange Land".


267 posted on 07/28/2006 6:59:05 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; marc costanzo

I have to agree with Rebel about B5. The theme was definitely anti-totalitarianism rather than anti-americanism.


268 posted on 07/28/2006 6:59:29 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: RedStateRocker; rumrunner
The first few Honor Harrington books are available for free download from the Baen Free Library. Warning: Baen's Library is addictive.
269 posted on 07/28/2006 7:03:46 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: marc costanzo

Phillip Dick. best sci-fi author ever.
wrote lots of alternate universe type of stuff, not the space cowboy type of stuff.
if you liked the movies: total recall, bladerunner, paycheck, imposter, and minority report (a scanner darkly that's soon to come out is his too) then you'll probably like his stuff.


270 posted on 07/28/2006 7:09:49 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: marc costanzo
Ping for later.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

271 posted on 07/28/2006 7:11:00 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: thescourged1
Need a brutal and compassionless future in the scifi genre?
EVE

I had the pleasure of beta testing EVE and then playing it for a while. You're definitely right about the "brutal and compassionless" part of the game. For those of you who aren't familiar with it, it is a massively-multiplayer-online game. However, it's more of a capitalism/social-darwinism simulator. The goals are profit, expanding your territory, and destroying your enemies, either financially or militarily.

The designers don't really interfere with the game play though, and there have been stories of scams and even corporate espionage that will amaze you. But it's part of the universe and part of life in EVE.

272 posted on 07/28/2006 7:12:16 AM PDT by Crolis ("Good fences make good neighbors.", Robert Frost)
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To: marc costanzo
L. Neil Smith. His North American Confederacy, Henry Martin, and Roswell, TX universes are a wealth of sci-fi material. In the NAC series, the alternate time lines alone would provide more than enough material to cover a 10 year run.

I can't believe no one has brought up Iain M. Banks yet. His Culture books provide nearly as limitless a selection of plot lines as El Neil's stuff does. Considering the Culture spans tens of thousands of years as a civilization, the possiblities are vast.

Ursula K. Le Guin would be another one. While Earthsea miniseries really didn't live up to it's potential, this was mostly because Ursula wasn't consulted on anything. The Left Hand of Darkness deserves at least it's own miniseries.

Dan Simmons' and his Hyperion Universe.

David Weber's Empire.

Anne McCaffery's Dragons of Pern.

Michael Moorecock's Eternal Champion.

Terry Brooks and his Shannara saga.

Asimov. Heinlein. Herbert. Clarke....

No... coming up with new ideas for mini-series, movies, or even regular seasonal series, isn't the problem. The problem is mediocrity. Polishing a turd until someone buys it.

How else do you explain Sci-fi movies like Sabertooth and Minotaur? How else do you explain a Sci-Fi channel with friggin' WRESTLING.

273 posted on 07/28/2006 7:16:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (It is not the oath that makes us believe the man, but the man the oath.- Aeschylus)
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To: marc costanzo
Yes it is, the new series, and to some extent the old, but the older series had its' charms !

Dr. Who was always fairly campy, which is one of the things I like about it. The new series has a lot bigger budget to play with, which shows, but it seems to have lost some of what I always enjoyed about it. I'm most of the way through season 2, and they've hardly left the earth-centric stories at all. In that, it's fairly disappointing.
 

274 posted on 07/28/2006 7:16:57 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place.)
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To: Grig
Stargate is anything but dystopian.

It has its moments, I suppose. But as science fiction goes, Stargate is a lightweight.

Besides, I was talking more about the written genre. Although the visual media seem to be pretty obsessed with a bleak future too.

275 posted on 07/28/2006 7:22:36 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: JamesP81
I've thought about the possibility myself, and the big question in my mind is who would you get to play Harrington? That's a hard part to fill. Harrington is a tall, dark haired woman hailing from mountainous country.

The face that gazed back should have looked different, reflecting the monumental change in her status, and it didn't. It was still all sharply defined planes and angles dominated by a straight, patrician nose (which, in her opinion, was the only remotely patrician thing about her) and devoid of the least trace of cosmetics. Honor had been told (once) that her face had "a severe elegance." On Basilisk Station
No contest

Claudia Black - She's only 5'9" but that can be worked around. (And she's probably the only actress with the Harrington nose)

276 posted on 07/28/2006 7:22:49 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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To: Amos the Prophet
But.. but... I liked the moral absolutism... and the characters were pretty cool too.
277 posted on 07/28/2006 7:28:13 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: ApplegateRanch
Thanks for reminding me that I need to read Reteif...
278 posted on 07/28/2006 7:30:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: JamesP81
"This is also my perception and I think scifi lends itself better to print than film. I'm even trying to write my own scifi novel. This is not going as well as I'd like but is going."

I hear you there. I'm working on a novel myself (rather of a fantasy vein) and it's not easy, particularly when I've been gifted with humor but really would love to do a serious-toned Science Fiction book sometime. So, keep at it... sometimes it just takes a bit of practice and patience.

279 posted on 07/28/2006 7:39:34 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Claudia Black - She's only 5'9" but that can be worked around. (And she's probably the only actress with the Harrington nose)

Probably a good choice overall. CB is darker complected than I imagine Harrington to be (remember, her family is all mountain men and women. These types tend to be fair skinned) but still a good choice overall.
280 posted on 07/28/2006 7:53:41 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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