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Science Fiction has become a poisoned well . .
7-27-06 | Marc Costanzo

Posted on 07/27/2006 6:49:43 PM PDT by marc costanzo

The essay below was originally written in the early Spring of 2001:

With the passing away of LEXX ends an intriguing albeit tawdry experiment in Sci-fantasy. One that breaks with conventions, or should I say cliches of TV sci-fi of the 90's . The politically correct pabulum, the multicultural indoctrination, the BladeRunner motifs, and not the least; the steroid mutated superbabes that can punch the lights out of men, but never get punched back in return !?

How about creating a new sci-fi anthology with none of the puerile baggage of Rod Serling, Rockne Obannon, Michael J. Stracinsky, etc .. It is time to end their reign of un-American cynicism and fatalism !


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: canada; entertainment; fiction; firefly; heinlein; lexx; media; sciencefiction; scifi; serenity; tv; vanity
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon
The Kzin were always attacking Man, and had to be beaten back every few years. Their (semi-intelligent) females were kept in harems owned by older and powerful Kzin, while the younger males were sent to go fight Man and earn a name or die.

I always associated the Kzin with Islam.

141 posted on 07/27/2006 8:14:21 PM PDT by magslinger (Without Freedom, Utopia isn't paradise after all. It's just hell in a fancy prom dress. Steven James)
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To: marc costanzo

Both Armegeddon and the much better Deep Impact have passing references to "you mean like Lucifer's Hammer?" in the dialog. I may not make it into the "edited for TV version but it was there in both movies in the original versions. They knew who they were ripping off (and who had done it better).


142 posted on 07/27/2006 8:14:32 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: OneWingedShark

That's gonna be a whole lotta nekkid people.

As I recall, no one on Barsoom felt any great urge for apparel, beyond swords and scabbards and such.

hmmm...

Who'd play Dejah Thoris, I wonder... (with visions of Salma Hayek dancing in my head)

heh heh heh...


143 posted on 07/27/2006 8:14:35 PM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: mrsmith
starring, of course, Second Secretary Jaime Retief- Ambassador to the Stars!

That is, "His Imperial Majesty, Jaime Jarl, Freelord of the Reteif, Hereditary Battle Commander of the Dragon Corps, Emperor of the Lily, to you, Minister Sternwheeler!"

Or, there is always that old rascal, may Saint Dismas preserve us, Nicolas von Rejn of the Polesotechnic League.

Please forgive any spelling errors; I'm not going to start digging through the shelves, searching for such trivia.

144 posted on 07/27/2006 8:14:42 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
I love Firefly! A good friend recommended it to me as "Confederate veterans in space." The back story makes the series parallel the wild West in 1871 where several characters were veterans on the losing (Independence) side of a rebellion. Joss Whedon took that background and made an unabashed Western set 500 years in the future in space.
145 posted on 07/27/2006 8:17:34 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Grut

>>Much as I enjoyed (and still enjoy) his juvies, just about everything he wrote in his last thirty or so years boils down to people flying around the universe arguing endlessly about sex and who's in charge.<<

That kind of mentality domenate science fiction like cancer dominates the lungs of a 30 year long chain smoker !

That is all we get from faggoty Canada; War of the Sexes !

(PS, Heinlein reportedly invented the Water Bed)


146 posted on 07/27/2006 8:18:06 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Strength & Honor)
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To: Mr. Thorne; OneWingedShark

"no one on Barsoom felt any great urge for apparel"
Series to be called "Bazooms of Barsoom"?


147 posted on 07/27/2006 8:18:33 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: rumrunner

When I was in my early teens I found a hoard of first edition Burroughs books "John Cabot Goes to Mars." I devoured them.
Lately everything seems to be fantasmagoric with emphasis in the toe gore. Not intellectually challenging.


148 posted on 07/27/2006 8:19:59 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: RebelBanker; DBrow; Wonder Warthog; RedStateRocker

Thanks to all. I've a bunch of reading to do.


149 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:38 PM PDT by rumrunner
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To: RedStateRocker; Ronin
That's a great series. I like the Napoleonic War analogies and I like the hard science, too. Ronin introduced to me to it, and I thank him.
150 posted on 07/27/2006 8:20:51 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: marc costanzo

Didn't know there were so many scifi fans on FR. Cool.

I stopped reading scifi at Clarke and Heinlien.

One more thing - what are the titles of good science fiction movies made in the past five years? I've seen all the classics and I'm looking for DVDs to watch on Satuday nights.


151 posted on 07/27/2006 8:21:02 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Global warming will soon cause people to spontaneously combust while walking down the street.)
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To: DBrow; All

>>Marc, how about a one hour TV movie based on The Cold Equations? That would get things hopping.

Very un-PC and shows just how cold the world can be.<<

THE SCI-FI CHANNEL allready did that story over ten years ago !

It starred Poppy Montgomery and that Cambell guy from ROCKETEER !

It was also done in a half hour episode of the 1986 verison of TWILIGHT ZONE


152 posted on 07/27/2006 8:21:16 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Strength & Honor)
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To: DBrow

Marc, how about a one hour TV movie based on The Cold Equations? That would get things hopping.


It's been done. Was pretty damn good too.


153 posted on 07/27/2006 8:21:44 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: DBrow

Hammer's Slammers


154 posted on 07/27/2006 8:26:45 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Phsstpok

" Niven and Pournelle are the protege's of RAH."

Actually, Pournelle was a protege of H.Beam Piper, who was every bit as good as RAH. Pournelle even has the rights to Piper's universes, and has written a few sequels to them. (Athough he never wrote the promised sequel to Space Viking.)

Another SF writer who is almost as good a a slug of Jim Baen is Harry Turtledove. He is doing a crosstime juvie series that brings back memories of RAH and H. Beam Piper.

Although you are right. It is hard to beat Weber, Flint, Ringo and Drake, et al.


155 posted on 07/27/2006 8:26:57 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: sergeantdave
Well, I have already identified myself as a fan, so how about the TV series Firefly (4 DVD set) and the movie Serenity, which is pretty much what the series finale was supposed to be. Watch the series first!
156 posted on 07/27/2006 8:27:06 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: Phsstpok
Honor Harrington books.

Not a huge Ringo fan, but I do love most of David Weber's books. The Harrington series started getting not as good near the very end of it, but was still interesting. IMO, Weber's best are Mutineer's Moon, Armageddon Inheritance, the Starfire series, and Path of the Fury. All good entertainment.
157 posted on 07/27/2006 8:27:54 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: Phsstpok

Both Armegeddon and the much better Deep Impact have passing references to "you mean like Lucifer's Hammer?" in the dialog. I may not make it into the "edited for TV version but it was there in both movies in the original versions. They knew who they were ripping off (and who had done it better).

Yes, they did not give credit, did they !
That is liberla Hollywood, plagiarizing someone else's ideas !

Hollywood is full of Canadians and they are always copycatting our stuff !


158 posted on 07/27/2006 8:28:32 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Strength & Honor)
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To: marc costanzo
(PS, Heinlein reportedly invented the Water Bed)

He did, while a tuberculosis patient, and then used the idea in Stranger In A Strange Land.

159 posted on 07/27/2006 8:29:15 PM PDT by magslinger (Without Freedom, Utopia isn't paradise after all. It's just hell in a fancy prom dress. Steven James)
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To: CaptRon; zeugma
As others have pointed out... There are no muslims in the future...

Actually, I know of one. In Niven and Pournelle's "The Mote In God's Eye" there is a Muslim character. However, even in the future he is duplicitous and conniving.

I believe his name was Horace Bury (sp). Also, Heinlein included a muslim-settled planet in the Lazarus Long chronicle "Time Enough For Love". True to their teachings, slavery was a major part of their culture.

160 posted on 07/27/2006 8:30:27 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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