A Picture of the find as it sits in the bog
Posted on 07/25/2006 12:21:17 PM PDT by lunarbicep
IRELAND'S national museum today hailed what it said was one of the most significant discoveries in decades - and perhaps centuries - after an ancient prayer book was found by chance in an Irish bog.
The National Museum of Ireland said fragments of what appeared to be an ancient Psalter or Book of Psalms, written around AD 800, were uncovered by a bulldozer in a bog in the south Midlands.
"In discovery terms this Irish equivalent to the Dead Sea Scrolls is being hailed by the Museum's experts as the greatest find ever from a European bog," the museum said in a statement.
The Dead Sea Scrolls, found in the mid 20th century, are considered to be of enormous religious and historical significance since they include some of the earliest known surviving Biblical documents.
The Irish discovery, recovered from bogland last Friday, comprises extensive fragments of what is thought to be an Irish Early Christian Psalter, written on vellum, a fine animal skin parchment.
"In my wildest hopes, I could only have dreamed of a discovery as fragile and rare as this," Museum Director Pat Wallace said, adding it was not so much the fragments themselves, but what they represented, that was of such "staggering" importance.
"It testifies to the incredible richness of the Early Christian civilisation of this island and to the greatness of ancient Ireland," he said.
The museum said it did not know how the manuscript ended up in the bog.
"It may have been lost in transit or dumped after a raid, possibly more than a thousand to twelve hundred years ago."
Part of Psalm 83, a lament to God over other nations' attempts to wipe out Israel, is legible but the museum said the extent to which other Psalms or additional texts are preserved would only be determined by lengthy work by a team of experts.
Bernard Meehan, Head of Manuscripts at Trinity College Dublin, who was invited to advise on the context and background of the manuscript, said he believed it was the first discovery of an Irish Early Medieval manuscript in two centuries.
Initial impressions placed the composition date of the manuscript at about AD 800, a time of Viking raids in Ireland.
Maewyn Succat (birth name of St. Patrick) was a 16-year-old slave in Ireland in 405. He was only later given the baptismal name of Patricius (or Patrick) by Pope Celestine, who had him trained in the faith by his close friend and homey Bishop Germanus of Auxerre and then consecrated Maewyn/Patricius a bishop and sent him to Ireland in 432.
Communication was poor and travel long and risky between Ireland and Rome for centuries before and after the Synod of Whitby. But at no point did the Celtic believers ever rebel against, excommunicate, or break faith with the rest of the Church. That makes them Catholic; or Orthodox, if you wish: Catholic and Orthodox were the some at that point: same Church --- one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism ---all represented at Church Councils and all praying for each other and all in communion with each other.
AMDG.
My strongs says the following (similar, but mine includes "ruin" as a definition -
05754 `avvah {av-vaw'}
intensive from 05753 abbreviated; TWOT - 1577b; n f
AV - overturn 3; 3
1) distortion, ruin
- then -
05753 `avah {aw-vaw'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1577; v
AV - iniquity 4, perverse 2, perversely 2, perverted 2, amiss 1, turn 1,
crooked 1, bowed down 1, troubled 1, wickedly 1, wrong 1; 17
1) to bend, twist, distort
1a) (Niphal) to be bent, be bowed down, be twisted, be perverted
1b) (Piel) to twist, distort
1c) (Hiphil) to do perversely
2) to commit iniquity, do wrong, pervert
2a) (Qal) to do wrong, commit iniquity
2b) (Hiphil) to commit iniquity
I just don't see how it's not (forgive the pun) distortion of the text to suggest that the word overturn here means a "changing of the holder" as you put it. Rather, 5753 sounds like a ruin to me.
Psalms Chapter 83 1 1 A song; a psalm of Asaph. 2 God, do not be silent; God, be not still and unmoved! 3 See how your enemies rage; your foes proudly raise their heads. 4 They conspire against your people, plot against those you protect. 5 They say, "Come, let us wipe out their nation; let Israel's name be mentioned no more!" 6 They scheme with one mind, in league against you: 7 2 The tents of Ishmael and Edom, the people of Moab and Hagar, 8 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, Philistia and the inhabitants of Tyre. 9 Assyria, too, in league with them gives aid to the descendants of Lot. Selah 10 3 Deal with them as with Midian; as with Sisera and Jabin at the torrent Kishon, 11 Those destroyed at Endor, who became dung for the ground. 12 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, 13 Who made a plan together, "Let us seize the pastures of God." 14 My God, turn them into withered grass, into chaff flying before the wind. 15 As a fire raging through a forest, a flame setting mountains ablaze, 16 Pursue them with your tempest; terrify them with your storm. 17 Cover their faces with shame, till they pay you homage, LORD. 18 Let them be dismayed and shamed forever; let them perish in disgrace. 19 Show them you alone are the LORD, the Most High over all the earth.
It is a sign, it is a sign, who can argue that God is speaking to us through the ages!
This is a message to Islam!
Dare not defy the Lord our God! Or you will be dust after being bombed with a US GPS Guided Bomb@!
God, do not seem to be asleep!
Do not remain quiet and do nothing, God!
For look, your enemies are (all) doing something.
The people that hate you are getting ready (to fight you).
They are making clever *plans against your people.
They are deciding together what to do with those people that you love.
They are saying, "Come on, we will destroy their country.
Then nobody will ever remember the name of Israel".
They are deciding together what to do.
They are agreeing to do something against you.
More here...
ATTENTION! A SIGN A SIGN FROM GOD
Psalm 83
A song. A psalm of Asaph.
1 O God, do not keep silent;
be not quiet, O God, be not still.
2 See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
that the name of Israel be remembered no more."
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you-
6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Gebal, [a] Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Selah
9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,
10 who perished at Endor
and became like refuse on the ground.
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,
12 who said, "Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God."
13 Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
like chaff before the wind.
14 As fire consumes the forest
or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,
15 so pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your storm.
16 Cover their faces with shame
so that men will seek your name, O LORD.
17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
may they perish in disgrace.
18 Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—
that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.
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"with the people of Tyre" That is one of the cities that is being bombed in Leb....!~
"I just don't see how it's not (forgive the pun) distortion of the text to suggest that the word overturn here means a "changing of the holder" as you put it. Rather, 5753 sounds like a ruin to me."
Well no "distortion" intended, the looser of the miter and crown would definitely be in 'ruin', no matter how it took place. The point is that it was prophesied that it would happen and it does not fit any other people or place in history.
A Picture of the find as it sits in the bog
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Where did you read that? I read about the 220 Jews who immigrated from NY to Israel just a few days ago, but didn't see the article about the French Jews.
BTTT
It kinda sends a chill down my spine reading that at the present time.
Wacking a hornets nest, der hey...
:::Hmmmm, now where'd I put that popcorn?:::
ROTFL!!
Great post, thanks (I was researching this earlier too).
Verse 6 reads they will be from tents. What is your interpretation on that. I've been doing some thinking on this and would like your take on it. Thanks..
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