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IDF: Hizbullah built mass bunker network
YNet ^ | July 19, 2006 | Hanan Greenberg

Posted on 07/19/2006 7:09:34 PM PDT by Alouette

Senior Northern Command officer tells Ynet that soldiers killed in Lebanon Wednesday were part of mission aimed at uncovering 40-meter deep poured concrete bunkers along border. Despite challenges, army determined to complete operation

A senior IDF Northern Command officer told Ynet that Hizbullah has set up an extensive underground bunker network not far from the Israeli border.

On Wednesday two IDF soldiers from the Magellan unit were killed and nine more soldiers were wounded during army operations aimed at uncovering the bunkers.

Hizbullah terrorists were hiding out in the fortified underground bunkers some 40 meters (roughly 120 feet) underground, along with mass weapons caches, the officer said. “Despite the results of the event, we’ll continue with this operation,” the officer stated. “There are missions that the Air Force cannot carry out and they need to be completed by other means.”

Vice Premier Shimon Peres also mentioned the issue of the bunker network during a recent meeting with European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana. “Hizbullah dug tunnels under extensive areas of south Lebanon and rigged the area with a half ton of explosives,” Peres said.

The IDF defined the operation in the area as “shaping the border.” Wednesday’s operation, which ended in two fatalities, revealed the challenges the army would have to face to reach this goal. The destruction of Hizbullah bases along the border is only one aspect of the activities, and this mission too is steeped in no small danger, as hundreds of kilograms of explosives have been planted in the area.

Sophisticated bunker system

And further underground, as well, it turns out, there is no small amount of activity. Hizbullah has built a sophisticated system of bunkers, constructed of poured concrete, some of them equipped with communications systems. The IDF knows if they don’t demolish this bunker system, there will not be quiet along the border after the operation in Lebanon.

The Magellan unit’s mission was precisely to defeat this threat. “There was a short- and mid-range confrontation,” the senior officer explained. “There were a number of exchanges of fire. The medic and paramedic where hit by small-arms fire and were killed. The area is meticulous planned out by the Hizbullah. There were launchers and many gunmen there. That’s where the rocket fire towards Safed, Hula Valley and the area was carried out from. This isn’t a continuous security operation – it’s a war. We have successes, but sometimes things work out less well.”

According to the officer, the IDF would continue various operations on Lebanese territory to bring about a change not only the appearance of change, but real change on every square meter near the border. “There are dozens more bunkers, caves and tunnels. It doesn’t surprise us. We expected it and must overcome it,” he said, adding that the army was determined to complete the mission, including in the area where the two soldiers fell Wednesday.

The IDF called on hundreds of thousands of southern Lebanon residents in dozens of villages and town to evacuate their houses for the north to avoid coming to harm. The IDF intends to extend it attacks deeper into Lebanese territory, up to a couple dozen miles from the Israeli border. The army is aware that hundreds of thousands of Lebanese have evacuated, but many more remain in the targeted area.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; bunker; hezbollah; idf; israel; lebanon; tunnel; tunnelnetwork; tunnels
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To: xJones
Let's set up the Israel foreign legion composed exclusively of goyim. We find one (1) entrance to a tunnel, secure the area around the entrance, and back up a livestock truck full of pigs to the entrance.

Look at all the Moose-limbs RUN!!! (Mow 'em down!)

Cheers!

61 posted on 07/19/2006 8:50:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: clilly54
I don't know if that's all that necessary.

I just watched Martin Bashir anchor this evening's Nightline episode, and apparently my suggestions have made it to the top echelons of Israeli strategerismers.

The correspondandant said that they return fire at all out-going fire. They showed self-propelled howitzers, and interviewed some guy walking around a whole bevy of them in some sort of arrangement, and he said: "We hit what we shoot at w/in 3 meters. Hoah!

Dude, I think the Israeli's have it covered so far. I'm going to lay low on my next suggestion: injecting a slurry of Quick-crete/crushed radioactive-waste glass material into the HizD'oh Lah bunker network.

62 posted on 07/19/2006 8:55:39 PM PDT by raygun (With A Name Like "Timmy", It Has To Be Good.)
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To: gotribe
"How about simply drilling numerous large holes under the bunkers - they're only 120 feet deep"

Two quick thoughts here;

1. Who will be the brave crew to take the couple of days under battle conditions to set up the drilling equipment and drill the hole? Do you think someone might be shooting at them?

2 If you could drill UNDER why not just drill INTO the bunker? That way you could put the charges directly IN the bunker.

Just some thoughts
63 posted on 07/19/2006 8:55:50 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: McGavin999

Wait, wait, wait. The PA said that these things don't exist. They didn't exist when Rachel Corrie was there or even when she was barely there and they don't exist now! I read it on Al Jazz so it must be true. /so


64 posted on 07/19/2006 8:56:13 PM PDT by Jaded (does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: gotribe
High-pressured poison gas as well might work.

Much as they deserve it, I know libs that have accused the Israelis of genocide already, before this particular series of events.

65 posted on 07/19/2006 9:00:28 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I'm thinkin' old.

pick came from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker_buster
in case link fails
66 posted on 07/19/2006 9:03:08 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Jockstrap Chirac's eyes.)
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To: grey_whiskers
We find one (1) entrance to a tunnel, secure the area around the entrance, and back up a livestock truck full of pigs to the entrance.

Yes, but ........what if one of the pigs was Babe? Babe's worth a Brazilian bazillion of any Muslim swine.

67 posted on 07/19/2006 9:03:59 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Alouette
I think a good idea is to pump in concentrated marijuana smoke, then go in when everyone is comfortably stoned


Mercenaries arriving in Israel for the dangerous mission.

68 posted on 07/19/2006 9:05:26 PM PDT by rake (Okinawa!)
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To: rake

reefer ? poisonous gas ?

try partially filling these tunnels with acetelyne, then launch some munition (at a safe distance)

film it please, I'd like to see what happens


69 posted on 07/19/2006 9:09:49 PM PDT by daku ("Behold this creature that walks like a man. It wants ketchup on its hot dog.")
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To: rake

The real haul in smashing this bunker was probably alot of rockets, underground bunkers are the obvious place to store a couple thousand rockets, pop up shoot and disapear.


70 posted on 07/19/2006 9:12:21 PM PDT by veryconernedamerican
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To: grey_whiskers; Candor7

An Arc Light strike was the term used in Vietnam for a B-52 saturation bombing attack. Think lots of quickly-cleared jungle.


71 posted on 07/19/2006 9:12:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: justa-hairyape

Yup...Flood the gophers.


72 posted on 07/19/2006 9:14:27 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: justa-hairyape

"120 foot deep bunkers. Now we need a noah type flood."

What our boys used in the Pacific war were flame thrower tanks.


73 posted on 07/19/2006 9:16:36 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: grey_whiskers
I apologize for my abysmal ignorance. What is an Arc Light?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Abysmal ignorance? What ARE you talking aboout? You are one of the wittiest, knowledgeable gentlemen I have seen.

LOL. Arc Light is a term familiar to those who witnessed them bring the North Vietnamese scrambling to Paris for peace talks on the condition they would be ended. Nixon made the mistake of ending them. The bombs used were 750 or 1000 pounds .Each B52 could carry about 30x1000 pound bombs and often as many as 27 bombers were used successively over the target. If the bombs did not destroy deep bunkers, enemy soldiers still remained dazed for hours afterwards. The bombs were released from an altitude so high that the bombers could not be seen, and the effect was to literally plow up large rectangular areas of ground to a depth of about 50 feet with concussions so strong and rhythmic that they often drove the enemy insane.

Here's the dose:

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting Arc Light bombing mission impacting.

Operation Arc Light was the code name given to the use of B-52 strategic bombers in Southeast Asia.

In 1964 U.S. and South Vietnamese intelligence sources began to detect regular North Vietnamese Army (NVA) units operating in base areas inside the Republic of Vietnam. The U.S. military evaluated ways to counter this development, and the resulting proposals leaned heavily on the concepts of air mobility and airpower.

After World War II, even into the nuclear era of Massive Retaliation, the Air Force had maintained an interest in the use of heavy bombers in a conventional role. U.S. Air Force planners recognized that it would take massive amounts of concentrated firepower to disrupt troop concentrations in jungle areas. As the war in Southeast Asia intensified, the Air Force looked to the Strategic Air Command bomber fleet to provide this massed firepower and selected the B-52 Stratofortress for this role.

74 posted on 07/19/2006 9:17:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Candor7
Hey, all they need is flame throwers, tank flame throwers and satchel
charges, and a lot of Israeli soldiers who don't mind attending a prolonged BBQ.


If the Isrealis know where the entrance/exits are...all you need is a bulldozer
and dirt.

That's how some really pesky pillboxes and bunkers were dealt with in Europe (WWII).
75 posted on 07/19/2006 9:18:38 PM PDT by VOA
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To: daku
try partially filling these tunnels with acetelyne

Good idea. When the acetelyne is ignited it will do 2 things:

1- Create a high pressure wave through the tunnels.

2- Consume all the available oxygen.

76 posted on 07/19/2006 9:19:21 PM PDT by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: JSteff

Oops, guess a blast that would detonate all the boobie traps & landmines, kill all the surface troops, plus seal the entrances to their tunnels wouldn't work, huh?

Don't know if they have the "MOP" ready yet...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/dshtw.htm


77 posted on 07/19/2006 9:20:45 PM PDT by clilly54
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To: JSteff

>>>Who will be the brave crew to take the couple of days under battle conditions to set up the drilling equipment and drill the hole?

Sounds like a job for Bruce Willis and his asteroid-blasting crew.


78 posted on 07/19/2006 9:24:11 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: Alouette

This is a Maginot line, best approach is to go around it ... or in other words, send a piercing armor column in 10 miles surround it, so hezbollah gets no resupply or reinforcement, cut off communications, then take your time taking it out one by one...

This wont be a short war.


79 posted on 07/19/2006 9:30:13 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: McGavin999

"They are going to have to come up with a way to detect these things. It seems to be a way of life over there. First it was Saddam and his underground bunkers and OBL and his tunnel systems. We have to find a way to not only detect them, but collapse them as well."

Seismic sensors can do this. and they can do it from the air.
(I think).


80 posted on 07/19/2006 9:31:23 PM PDT by WOSG
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