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Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet (TWA Flight 800)
Boston Herald ^ | Tuesday, July 18, 2006 | Joe Dwinell

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:13:58 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

Cape man buoys theory missile downed jet By Joe Dwinell

A Bay State physicist is taking on the National Transportation Safety Board in federal court in Boston to help bolster his theory a missile is to blame for taking down TWA Flight 800 a decade ago.

“I don’t want this 10-year anniversary to go by without paying attention to this plausible theory,” said Tom Stalcup, a Falmouth resident who holds a doctorate in physics and heads up the Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization.

Flight 800 exploded and crashed in the sea south of Long Island, N.Y., at 3 p.m. on July 17, 1996.

Stalcup’s group, linked mostly by the Internet, has filed a complaint in U.S. District Court in Boston seeking documents relating to the crash, including a “wreckage item” that exited the plane’s airframe at “apparent supersonic speeds.”

Stalcup alleges the Navy recovered this “smoking gun” wreckage.

Federal officials say the crash was an accident - not a missile strike from a Navy exercise or anything else


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anniversary; callingartbell; conspiracytheory; fearuncertaintydoubt; nutjob; terrorism; twa800; twaflight800
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm not talking about what pilots may or may not have said later.

I'm talking about what they said to Air Traffic Control seconds after the 747 exploded.

81 posted on 07/18/2006 8:01:17 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
TWA 800: TIMELINE AND LOCATION OF MAJOR EVENTS

8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet.

8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown.

Try my (Swordmaker's) more detailed timeline.

82 posted on 07/18/2006 8:02:03 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: NonLinear
I beg to differ that an object exited the airframe at supersonic velocity under any scenario under discussion.

Ummm...that was my point.

And I was not the tin foil adorned one that said that.

Yes Jim, he really is dead.

Oh, Jim - he is still really dead.

83 posted on 07/18/2006 8:03:27 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (Islam........not fit for human consumption.)
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To: COEXERJ145

A fireball's a fireball. The plane was in range of a Stinger and terrorists in Iran and Afghanistan had stingers. Did, for the first time in history a pair of chaffed wires ignite fumes in the center fuel tank? It's possible. Would it be possible to tell that form that wreckage? Maybe, but that would be really difficult. Could you deduce it by inspecting other 747s and showing the problem in them? Yes. Have they ever done that? Not to my limited knowledge but it would go along way toward convincing me it was the cause.


84 posted on 07/18/2006 8:03:56 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: COEXERJ145
I'm not talking about what pilots may or may not have said later.

I'm talking about what they said to Air Traffic Control seconds after the 747 exploded.

It doesn't say when the co-pilot reported what he saw.

85 posted on 07/18/2006 8:04:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Two other aircraft that had the same center fuel tank configuration suffered explosions in the center tanks. One was a Philippines Airlines 737 and the other a Thai 737.
86 posted on 07/18/2006 8:05:23 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I've heard the ATC tapes and no one mentions anything like that.


87 posted on 07/18/2006 8:05:43 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia; COEXERJ145
If it's not possible, why are these guys talking about it?

The Congressional Research Service Study:REPORT FOR CONGRESS: Protecting Airliners From Terrorist Missiles PDF said that the most vulnerable aircraft are those that take off over water and should have maritime craft patrolling the water.

And:

Northrup-Grumman Protecting Commercial Aircraft From MANPADS PDF presentation.

And:

Position of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l on Man-Portable Air Defense Systems Countermeasures

88 posted on 07/18/2006 8:07:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: oceanview
Sure, many naval personalle kept quiet about alot of incidents we had with russian subs during the cold war. but keeping quiet about that, is different then keeping quiet about wasting a bunch of civilians.

I'm not even talking about top-secret military operations. Tom Clancy's novel The Hunt for Red October is supposedly based on a true story -- though nobody has ever confirmed or denied it. How does a Soviet submarine defect to the U.S. -- with the assistance of any number of U.S. military personnel -- without anyone ever hearing about it in public?

I've said for a long time that if the incident back in the 1980s in which the USS Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner had involved a U.S. aircraft instead of a foreign one, it would have been attributed to some other cause and we never would have heard anything about the real story.

89 posted on 07/18/2006 8:08:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Steponallofus said it was shot down on his show. He was in the WH when it happened and they said they didn't want a terrorist attack at that time. They then came up with the fuel tank explosion. Who knows?

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters
Shalom Israel


90 posted on 07/18/2006 8:09:09 PM PDT by bray (Jeb '08, just to watch their Heads Explode!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Months before 9/11, David Schippers tried to reach Ashcroft & Justice and the Congress with information that terrorists were going to hit lower Manhattan to no avail. According to Schippers, he and Jayna Davis (OKC) had information that involved a series of terrorist plots. The first involved blowing up an airliner (TWA 800), the second a federal building (OKC) and the third: lower Manhattan (9/11). Schippers noted the only thing off with his sources is that they believed NY would be nuked. That will probably be number four if they can ever pull it off.

A few months after 9/11 (I think), Schippers went on O'Reilly lamenting about the ice cold treatment he received from Justice and Congress when he tried to give them the warnings. The Senate Intelligence Committee called him and told him, "we understand you have information". He told them he did and he would love to have his sources subpoenaed before the Committee and they would go on the record. They promised to call him back and never did. Hastert's office. Ashcroft's office. All the same story.

I write all of that to say it does give me pause to just write off TWA as an accident when Schippers was operating off of these sources from OKC and elsewhere (big Al-Quaeda networks in OKC) and was essentially correct about a coming attack on lower Manhattan.
91 posted on 07/18/2006 8:09:39 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: COEXERJ145
I've heard the ATC tapes and no one mentions anything like that.

We have no idea when this co-pilot reported what he saw or to whom.

92 posted on 07/18/2006 8:09:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: COEXERJ145

Thanks for theat:

"On May 11, 1990, a Boeing 737-300 suffered an explosion in the center fuel tank in Ninoy Aquino International Airport, in Manila while preparing for takeoff. The fire and smoke engulfed the aircraft before it could be completely evacuated. "

So, the problem was known about since 1990 and nothing was done to inspect and retrofit aircraft with the same configuration? That's hard to believe....


93 posted on 07/18/2006 8:09:58 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

bump for later


94 posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:56 PM PDT by GOPJ ("...we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?" -- Newt Gingrich)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

"I also remember the ridicule, abuse and threats some Americans endured for years until some truth about Ruby Ridge and Waco was finally exposed."

well put.


95 posted on 07/18/2006 8:13:24 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: ArtyFO

There was a lot of that rumored to have gone on. Foreign news services giving out Oswald's bio and casting him as a suspect before he had even been picked up and booked for Tippit's murder in Dallas.


96 posted on 07/18/2006 8:13:49 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
It was at 14,000 which is within a stinger's range.

The aircraft may have been flying at 14,000 feet, and it may have been within the range of a Stinger anti-aircraft missile . . . but that means absolutely nothing.

What's more important is that an eastbound flight out of JFK would not have been flying at 14,000 feet under normal circumstances. It would usually be at 16,000-17,000 feet at that point in its eastbound flight, but Flight 800 was ordered to level off at around 14,000 feet to make way for a northbound US Air flight into Providence, Rhode Island that was behind schedule that night. A terrorist on the ground/water below could not possibly have foreseen this, which is why he would clearly have attempted such an attack from a point much further west where aircraft flying overhead would usually be much lower than they are at the point where Flight 800 went down.

97 posted on 07/18/2006 8:14:22 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thanks! The Clinton administration was never ready to go to war if it could help it. The reasoning behind going into Bosnia was the public opinion polls supported it and Clinton needed to distract the press and public from his scandals. It's plausible they would cover this incident up to avoid a war with Iran. Clinton canceled a strike against Bin Laden because there was a Saudi prince staying in his compound.
98 posted on 07/18/2006 8:15:07 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: WLR

No terrorist could have planted explosives in the Murrah building without government complicity. Think about it.


99 posted on 07/18/2006 8:15:21 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: bray
I saw that and it was right when 9/11 happened.He said terrorist shot it down but not in those words.Just like Twa 800.
100 posted on 07/18/2006 8:15:55 PM PDT by fatima (You can read History or make it,fatima)
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