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Pittsburgh, PA: Restaurants fuming over smoking ban
United Pro Smoker's Newsletter ^ | July 14, 2006

Posted on 07/15/2006 7:30:05 AM PDT by SheLion

The Pennsylvania Restaurant Association has thrown its support behind a statewide ban on smoking in restaurants, bars, casinos and private clubs.
So why couldn't we find any local establishments who agree with them?

Admittedly, we used a small sample, but when staff writer Jeff Pikulsky talked to owners of Mon Valley clubs and restaurants last week, he found angry opposition to the proposed ban.

Monessen Elks Club Steward Marcy Zites estimated that 70 percent of her club patrons smoke and feared that a ban would be bad for business.

Those sentiments were echoed at the Foster House in North Belle Vernon, where bartender Lisa Vestrat said customers have been complaining about the possibility of a ban.

At the High Point restaurant in Coal Center, Loretta Sepesy lamented, "People like to have a drink and cigarette. They take away all of your rights anymore."

The proposal to ban smoking in public places was introduced by Sen. Stewart Greenleaf, a Republican from Montgomery, and is currently being considered by the Senate's Public Health & Welfare Committee. Similar legislation in the House died in committee last month.

The ban is being offered out of concern for the health and welfare of employees who work in those facilities and are exposed to second-hand smoke. A recent report from the U.S. Surgeon General brands second-hand smoke as a health risk and recommends that it be banned from public gathering places.

We understand the concern of the state's Restaurant Association and its desire to be on the politically correct side of the smoking argument. But we think the organization should have contacted more of its members to see if they feel the same way.

It's our position that in a free society, this decision should be up to the individual restaurants, not the government. Restaurants who want to ban smoking should be welcome to do so, and customer response will determine if they are right or wrong.

"The sun does more damage to peoples' bodies than second-hand cigarette smoke," said Monessen Elks Club trustee Brian Mears. "What is the government going to do next, shut down the sun?

Shh, Brian, don't give them any ideas.


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To: at bay; SheLion
The article is more than five years old. What a dishonest claim today. Shelyin again.

I suggest you watch your words, little girl. There was nothing dishonest about this 5 years ago, nor is there today. What you fail to realize the phone trees exist BECAUSE of people like you.so of course you are ging to be unaware of them. But just because such information is kept from you, does not mean it does not exist.

Either grow up or crawl back under the rock from whence you crawled, and stay there.

201 posted on 07/16/2006 7:12:01 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: SheLion; Gabz

" If someone doesn't spend some time on the Net, they don't have a clue as to all the smoking bans popping up across the United States and how smokers are talked to in here. When I tell them, they just can't believe it."

My wife didn't believe, till one day she happened to get a good look at some of these posts.

I told her, "now you know what these people are really up to, making you out to be a secondhand citizen, an awful, selfish, evil being who has no concern fo any thing but the"fix".

Then I said " wait there's more. You are also being portrayed as an uneducated, brainless 'thing', who only exists to make these poor antismoker's lives a horrible experience, ranking right up there with being in hell."

"And, your basically a murderer, with your secondhand smoke, and a child abuser, a horrible parent, who cares for nothing."

My "stupid, uneducated, smoking wife" Just entered nursing grad school. (MSN)

I think she understands more why I'm here now, and is beginning to take an active role herself.

Thanks, antis! For helping wake yet another person from their slumber, by showing what a bunch of nasty, no-good control freaks you are! WOO HOO!!


202 posted on 07/16/2006 10:11:44 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr; SheLion
Thanks, antis! For helping wake yet another person from their slumber, by showing what a bunch of nasty, no-good control freaks you are! WOO HOO!!

Perzackery!!!!!

My husband didn't need the internet to be woken up to the tactics and antics of the antis.....he saw first hand what I have dealt with over the years from them. He's not all that active on the issue online, but in real life the man is an absolute jewel when it comes to this issue. He's been known to call me when he's on the road and gets into a conversation with someone spouting the anti lies and talking points (same thing, I know) just to make sure he has the point correct.

203 posted on 07/16/2006 10:22:27 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
There's not any real life antis in town where I'm from, to speak of. I'm sure there are some, but they keep their lips sealed.

I think the only non-smoking restaurant around here is a Bob Evans.

But, you can drive to the next town (7 minutes away), and go to the Bob Evans that allows smoking!
(That's how it SHOULD be! They went nonsmoking of their own will, super.)
I have never had an encounter with a real life anti.

Must be the small town thing, where most people just live and let be.

Heck, I don't know. I do know I'm VERY thankful for it, and want to fight to keep my way of life.
204 posted on 07/16/2006 10:36:30 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: 383rr
Must be the small town thing, where most people just live and let be.

Could be.

There are 2 coffee shop/luncheonette type places ina small town just a few miles south of me. One permits smoking, the other doesn't. I happen to know the owner of the one that permits smoking because he is a member of the sme Moose Lodge as my husband and I. When the legislature was debating the smoking ban here during this past session both owners were very adamant in their opposition.....the guy whose place is non-smoking says it was his decision and he doesn't want the state taking away the market niche he has created for himself.

Needless to say, I patronize both establishments.

205 posted on 07/16/2006 10:51:54 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz
There was nothing dishonest about this 5 years ago, nor is there today

I live in California, compliance now ia virtually 100%. Incidentally, your insults reflect your own lack of integrity and we all see through the many nonsensical anecdotes you have supplied in this thread. Two non-smoking adults choosing the smoking section because they don't like the prissy company in the non-smoking section. Sure. Nico, you are good!

206 posted on 07/16/2006 11:54:49 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: dakine
Sorry. Jumped to a conclusion.

Yes, you were, and thank you.

207 posted on 07/16/2006 3:52:46 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Ditter
You take your habit way too seriously elkieboy Ditterbabe. There is a whole world out there that doesn't need tobacco Mrs. Grundy to make it wonderful.

There, all fixed.

208 posted on 07/16/2006 4:00:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Ditter
Actually I am packing my art supplies for a trip to elkboys home state New Mexico. I am doing a week long workshop with an artist named Carolyn Anderson. I can't wait!

We love it when people come to NM, spend their money, then leave.

Welcome!

This presents an opportunity for you to come snatch my cigarette / cigar away from me in person, rather than employing government thugs to do the dirty work for you.

Maybe we can set up an appointment.

209 posted on 07/16/2006 4:04:58 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: at bay
I live in California

That explains a lot.

Maybe you should consider moving to America.

210 posted on 07/16/2006 4:07:32 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Last time I checked Free Republic comes from a town only a few miles from where I live.


211 posted on 07/16/2006 5:05:49 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: at bay
Last time I checked Free Republic comes from a town only a few miles from where I live.

And light years away from where you think.

212 posted on 07/16/2006 5:19:50 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

An appointment? You mean like a...... date? No I don't think so.
LOL! I won't be having' any time for shopping either. Room and board is all I'm spending, sorry.


213 posted on 07/16/2006 5:56:08 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
LOL! I won't be having' any time for shopping either. Room and board is all I'm spending, sorry.

Not to worry, your hired thugs will continue to do your dirty work for you before, during, and after your stay.

Enjoy your trip, and enjoy some of the locally-owned restaurants while you're here, before they disappear.

214 posted on 07/16/2006 6:02:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: at bay

I don't give a flying flip where you live. I personally know that compliance in California is no where near 100%, nor is it in Delaware or New York or any other place you control freaks have attempted to destroy small businesses.

Incidentally, your insults reflect the poor upbringing you obviously had, because integrity is not a part of your vocabulary. If you don't like my anecdotes, don't read them. Calling me a liar, which you did, is again reflective of your poor upbringing.

BTW, we just left a gathering with friends, at the same establishment, there were 30-35 of us. Smokers and non-smokers were about evenly divided, but we were gathered in the smoking area. Among the group was the couple you don't seem to believe exists, they decided to surprise dad and show up today because his wife got here last night and they adore the step-mom.......and she smokes cigarettes (oh horrors). Each couple or group had seperate checks, but the pooled money for an extra tip was over $400 and a lot of those folks weren't planning on leaving anytime soon.

But of course that's just an anecdote from a "Nico" and therefore unbelievable to the likes of you gnatzies (small minds buzzing in other's business)


215 posted on 07/16/2006 7:39:33 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: elkfersupper
And light years away from where you think

Nah, I don't think there's any reason your masquerading of reasonable health regulations as the great constitutional question of the 21st century has to be part of a true conservative's outlook. In fact, IMHO, you have hitchd a ride on a forum that has many important issues to focus on, and your constant whining about your drug addiction needs can only be viewed as a distraction and dilution of the very real problems adressed on this forum.

216 posted on 07/16/2006 7:43:42 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Schmidt, CEO Google)
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To: at bay
your constant whining about your drug addiction fixation on legislating away people's enjoyment of a legal commodity needs can only be viewed as a distraction and dilution of the very real problems adressed on this forum.

There, all fixed.

217 posted on 07/16/2006 8:04:32 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: at bay; elkfersupper

And YOU have the audacity to accuse others of insults???????????

You are a piece of work - that's for sure, little girl.


218 posted on 07/16/2006 8:08:32 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: elkfersupper

So...... I guess the date is off. ;9]


219 posted on 07/16/2006 8:13:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
So...... I guess the date is off. ;9]

It never was a date, it was an invitation to snatch a burning tobacco product from my grinning yap.

Of course, there aren't too many humans who can actually reach that high.

220 posted on 07/16/2006 8:23:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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