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Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill (stem cell)
Denver Post ^ | 10 july 2006 | John Farrell

Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.

"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.

The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.

(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; hr810; repubwaronscience; sciencehaters; stemcell; veto; vetoit
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To: Southack

Count me as an idiot.


101 posted on 07/10/2006 4:39:46 PM PDT by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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To: publana; Southack

What a strange admission......


102 posted on 07/10/2006 4:40:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Ditto!


103 posted on 07/10/2006 4:42:44 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Notwithstanding

Three cheers for the President!!!


104 posted on 07/10/2006 4:49:50 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: ohioWfan
So the claim that embryos that are stored in liquid nitrogen at fertility clinics will not be destroyed at a certain point in time?

Section 1 Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005

Section 2 Human Embryonic Stem Cell Research

Secretary shall conduct and support research on stem cells that have been derived from embryos if the following requirements are met:

Embryos used to derive stem cells were originally created for fertility treatment purposes and are in excess of clinical need;
The individuals seeking fertility treatments for whom the embryos were created have determined that the embryos will not be implanted in a woman and will otherwise be discarded; and
The individuals for whom the embryos were created have provided written consent for embryo donation.

The Secretary, in consultation with the Director of the NIH, shall issue guidelines 60 days after enactment. These guidelines shall ensure that federally funded researchers adhere to ethical considerations. The Secretary shall annually report to Congress about NIH stem cell research.


Read more at U.S. Congressman Mike Castle
105 posted on 07/10/2006 4:51:17 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: hubbubhubbub
Embryonic Stem Cell research $$ just flows to the abortion mills.

Agreed. Next thing you know some liberal will suggest giving pregnant women subsidies to turn over their fetuses for research. All in the name of humanitarianism of course.

And in case nobody remembers, when President Bush was a child, he lost his own little sister to cancer. He knows the pain of losing a loved one to a terminal and violent disease, and he understands the importance of medical research in defeating these killers. That he refuses to throw his principles out the window just because that might be the easiest and most natural thing to do speaks volumes for his integrity.

106 posted on 07/10/2006 4:52:04 PM PDT by iluvgeorgie (All great men are hated.)
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To: Spiff
Hooray! It only took him 5 years to veto a liberal piece of legislation despite a target rich environment. Hmmm...

Elections loom. Blackbird.

107 posted on 07/10/2006 4:52:36 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Prove you're Sane!)
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To: ohioWfan

Not strange if you truly know anything about the subject of stem cell research. From the vast majority of the posts in here, I see that most of us do not. It is truly a pity.


108 posted on 07/10/2006 4:52:58 PM PDT by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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To: Prodn2000

Please see post #80.


109 posted on 07/10/2006 4:53:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: publana

C # 80


110 posted on 07/10/2006 4:55:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

You are wasting your breath. While Freepers generally do their research, when it comes to this issue, they fall miserably short. You won't change their minds because they are afraid this issue due to abortions. I understand it and sympathize, but unfortunately they are wrong. :/

And with that, I'm leaving this thread before I say something I regret later.


111 posted on 07/10/2006 4:56:32 PM PDT by publana (yes, I checked the preview box without previewing)
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To: Southack
I looked at post #80, saw a different perspective, but my opinion remains unchanged. We are not talking about general therapies. We are talking about specific restorative treatments. Working on pigs is not going to get us any closer to a reversing cure for Alzheimer's.
112 posted on 07/10/2006 4:57:22 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Notwithstanding
Good news.

The whole idea of harvesting human lives to use as a "cure" is Mengelesque.

113 posted on 07/10/2006 4:58:18 PM PDT by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: publana
See the baby in post #88.

A frozen embryo which could have been used for 'research.'

Will you regret saying that the lives of these babies should not have been saved? Is that why you're leaving?

114 posted on 07/10/2006 4:59:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: Notwithstanding
Scorecard: Adult stem cells: hundreds of successful therapies Embryonic stem cells: zero therapies, despite mega funding

I'm unpersuaded that the scorecard informs the debate in anything but a cost-benefit sense. In fact, the dearth of therapies suggests that more research is necessary. As I see it, the issue is whether or not, assuming embryonic stem cell research could yield the results we want, such research is morally justified.

I agree with the president that it is not rather than the medical Machiavellis that believe the end justifies the means no matter how many smaller human beings are callously sacrificed. Wouldn't it be ironic if one of these embryonic lab rats was the one person who would otherwise find a cure for cancer or AIDS?

115 posted on 07/10/2006 4:59:59 PM PDT by iluvgeorgie (All great men are hated.)
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To: Prodn2000
What about umbilical cord stem cells? As I understand it, there has been more productive human research there than in dead babies.

Why not support that? Why support death?

116 posted on 07/10/2006 5:01:29 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi Liberation VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: ohioWfan

Read the dang bill.


117 posted on 07/10/2006 5:02:18 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: ohioWfan
The embryos that are going to be allowed for research are the same embryos going in to the dumpster in the alley behind the fertility clinic.

So destruction > research ??
118 posted on 07/10/2006 5:05:09 PM PDT by Prodn2000
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To: Prodn2000
Working on pigs is not going to get us any closer to a reversing cure for Alzheimer's.

Working on pigs has just a good chance of reversing Alzheimers as embryonic stem cell research. Very little in both cases.

All of the practical advances thus far have come from adult stem cells. Human embryos are by definition humans. Could you explain to me why you think the federal government has the power to take my money and spend it on something that I see as the unlawful taking of human life?

119 posted on 07/10/2006 5:07:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Notwithstanding
President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency

Yeah, okay.

120 posted on 07/10/2006 5:08:47 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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