Rove: Bush to veto DeGette bill (stem cell)

Denver Post ^ | 10 july 2006 | John Farrell

[publana]

Count me as an idiot.

[ohioWfan]

What a strange admission......

[Prov3456]

Ditto!

[Aussie Dasher]

Three cheers for the President!!!

[Prodn2000]

So the claim that embryos that are stored in liquid nitrogen at fertility clinics will not be destroyed at a certain point in time?

Section 1 Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005

Section 2 Human Embryonic Stem Cell Research

Secretary shall conduct and support research on stem cells that have been derived from embryos if the following requirements are met:

Embryos used to derive stem cells were originally created for fertility treatment purposes and are in excess of clinical need;
The individuals seeking fertility treatments for whom the embryos were created have determined that the embryos will not be implanted in a woman and will otherwise be discarded; and
The individuals for whom the embryos were created have provided written consent for embryo donation.

The Secretary, in consultation with the Director of the NIH, shall issue guidelines 60 days after enactment. These guidelines shall ensure that federally funded researchers adhere to ethical considerations. The Secretary shall annually report to Congress about NIH stem cell research.

Read more at U.S. Congressman Mike Castle

[iluvgeorgie]

Embryonic Stem Cell research $$ just flows to the abortion mills.

Agreed. Next thing you know some liberal will suggest giving pregnant women subsidies to turn over their fetuses for research. All in the name of humanitarianism of course.

And in case nobody remembers, when President Bush was a child, he lost his own little sister to cancer. He knows the pain of losing a loved one to a terminal and violent disease, and he understands the importance of medical research in defeating these killers. That he refuses to throw his principles out the window just because that might be the easiest and most natural thing to do speaks volumes for his integrity.

[BlackbirdSST]

Hooray! It only took him 5 years to veto a liberal piece of legislation despite a target rich environment. Hmmm...

Elections loom. Blackbird.

[publana]

Not strange if you truly know anything about the subject of stem cell research. From the vast majority of the posts in here, I see that most of us do not. It is truly a pity.

[Southack]

Please see post #80.

[Southack]

C # 80

[publana]

You are wasting your breath. While Freepers generally do their research, when it comes to this issue, they fall miserably short. You won't change their minds because they are afraid this issue due to abortions. I understand it and sympathize, but unfortunately they are wrong. :/

And with that, I'm leaving this thread before I say something I regret later.

[Prodn2000]

I looked at post #80, saw a different perspective, but my opinion remains unchanged. We are not talking about general therapies. We are talking about specific restorative treatments. Working on pigs is not going to get us any closer to a reversing cure for Alzheimer's.

[B Knotts]

Good news.

The whole idea of harvesting human lives to use as a "cure" is Mengelesque.

[ohioWfan]

See the baby in post #88.

A frozen embryo which could have been used for 'research.'

Will you regret saying that the lives of these babies should not have been saved? Is that why you're leaving?

[iluvgeorgie]

Scorecard: Adult stem cells: hundreds of successful therapies Embryonic stem cells: zero therapies, despite mega funding

I'm unpersuaded that the scorecard informs the debate in anything but a cost-benefit sense. In fact, the dearth of therapies suggests that more research is necessary. As I see it, the issue is whether or not, assuming embryonic stem cell research could yield the results we want, such research is morally justified.

I agree with the president that it is not rather than the medical Machiavellis that believe the end justifies the means no matter how many smaller human beings are callously sacrificed. Wouldn't it be ironic if one of these embryonic lab rats was the one person who would otherwise find a cure for cancer or AIDS?

[ohioWfan]

What about umbilical cord stem cells? As I understand it, there has been more productive human research there than in dead babies.

Why not support that? Why support death?

[Prodn2000]

Read the dang bill.

[Prodn2000]

The embryos that are going to be allowed for research are the same embryos going in to the dumpster in the alley behind the fertility clinic.

So destruction > research ??

[jwalsh07]

Working on pigs is not going to get us any closer to a reversing cure for Alzheimer's.

Working on pigs has just a good chance of reversing Alzheimers as embryonic stem cell research. Very little in both cases.

All of the practical advances thus far have come from adult stem cells. Human embryos are by definition humans. Could you explain to me why you think the federal government has the power to take my money and spend it on something that I see as the unlawful taking of human life?

[nonliberal]

President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency

Yeah, okay.