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Judge rules FBI search of Rep. William Jefferson's Capitol Hill office was constitutional
CNN ^ | 7/10/2006 | CNN

Posted on 07/10/2006 1:38:58 PM PDT by eraser2005

BREAKING NEWS:Judge rules FBI search of Rep. William Jefferson's Capitol Hill office was constitutional

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: 109th; dubai; fbi; netlink; norefugescoundrels; ruling; shareasale; verichip; williamjefferson
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To: muawiyah
Hastert's initial position was Constitutionally and historically correct. Freeper opposition to that position was based on a lack of historic perspective.

That's putting it charitably.

Ah yes, all through history corruption by government leaders has been a winning ideal.

Some FReepers just can't see that "historic perspective".

/S

41 posted on 07/10/2006 6:08:58 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL
The issue really isn't "corruption". The issue is whether or not the the Parliament's official premises is offlimits to unbidden visits by jackbooted agents of the Crown.

The tradition of keeping the federales out of the Houses of Congress, their offices that directly support Capitol Hill, etc. dates back a long, long way, even before the founding of the Republic.

Besides, any FBI worth it's salt could find all they need on this Jefferson character without breaking into one of the House office buildings.

We should not sacrifice our Constitution simply because the FBI no longer attracts first-class analysts and investigators.

42 posted on 07/10/2006 6:15:33 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: eraser2005
breaking on CNN....

Breaking hearts, undoubtedly.

43 posted on 07/10/2006 6:26:38 PM PDT by Begin (Mister, we could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.)
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To: muawiyah
The tradition of keeping the federales out of the Houses of Congress, their offices that directly support Capitol Hill, etc. dates back a long, long way, even before the founding of the Republic.

United States citizens have long had the right to be secure in our homes and belongings too. I don't see Congress too upset with "no knock" raids and other intrusions into citizens lives.

Prosecutors asked Congress for help 10 months ago with no response. When one act irresponsibly other steps are taken. Congress acted irresponsibly, they are getting what they deserve.

44 posted on 07/10/2006 6:32:30 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL
A coup? ~ that's your answer to this?

I think we should rake FBI over the coals and totally reform them. It's been pretty obvious for some time now that they are not pulling in first-class minds who are able to take down a crook like Jefferson without violating Congress' Constitutional prerogatives.

45 posted on 07/10/2006 6:36:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: RJL
BTW, the Constitution requires a warrant, not that the cops politely stop and knock on your door so you can flush your MJ down the toilet.

For most of the history of the Republic there was no "no knock" rule.

46 posted on 07/10/2006 6:37:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
A coup? ~ that's your answer to this?

Congress not being above the law is a coup? That's quite a jump.

You and I disagree.

47 posted on 07/10/2006 6:40:20 PM PDT by RJL
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To: RJL

Congress is not "above the law", but then again, neither is the Executive nor the Judiciary.


48 posted on 07/10/2006 6:44:48 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Liz
"He's going to meet Gen Kachinga Cheatchusuckah to checkout Idi Amin's secret Swiss gold stash.?

LOL! I heard he is represented by the law firm "Dewey, Cheatham & Howe"...

49 posted on 07/10/2006 6:59:53 PM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: WLR; mrsmith

I disagree completely with your reasoning.

We are a nation of laws, not men.

There are 3 branches of government. None of the members of any of these 3 branches are above the law.

As regards future corrupt administrations, the Clinton adminstration violated so many laws with impunity in order to get political enemies, it is laughable that one would consider the manner of Jefferson's downfall to be opening any flood gate to future crooked administrations.


50 posted on 07/10/2006 7:09:46 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: muawiyah

if this decision had gone the other way - it would have been. it would be the only branch to have a constitutional protection against oversight from the other branches. and not for legitimate actions mind you, I agree that is in the constitution - but for EVERY KIND OF CRIME. the executive and judicial bracnhes have impeachment and removal, so who oversees congress if the law were to be as you suggest?

and don't answer with - "the voters", or "they investigate themselves".


51 posted on 07/10/2006 7:13:23 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
Congress is "supreme" inasmuch as it can remove the other "branches". Within the Congress the House serves as the "prosecutor" in such cases and the Senate serves as the Judiciary (combined judge and jury sort of thing). In earlier times when Senators were chosen by state legislatures, it was quite clear to everyone that the sovereign states were in charge of the final court of judgment on the President/Commander In Chief and the Judiciary.

Still, notice that the Constitution provides that the House and Senate are judge of their own members.

In questions like this the Founders fell back on the elected body closest to the people to decide how to proceed in the case of a crime involving their members.

You might well read the Constitution someday to check all of that out.

52 posted on 07/10/2006 7:17:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

only with respect to official acts do they have such protections.

if a congressman murders someone inside washington DC, can they be prosecuted,or even investigated, for it by the civilian justice system?


53 posted on 07/10/2006 7:24:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: muawiyah

"...except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest.."


54 posted on 07/10/2006 7:27:35 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Calpernia

If that is a joke, I don't get it.


57 posted on 07/10/2006 7:31:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Let them die of thirst in the dark.)
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To: oceanview
That's fine ~ we are talking about how the FBI conducted the raid ~ they did it on Congress' very premises.

When the FBI is so bereft of people who can think clearly, the greater problem is the FBI, not the criminals they are after.

58 posted on 07/10/2006 7:32:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: freedumb2003

What joke?


59 posted on 07/10/2006 7:32:39 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Your post. I thought it was an embedded joke.

Did I miss something? The mods didn't.


60 posted on 07/10/2006 7:34:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Let them die of thirst in the dark.)
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