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To: WLR; mrsmith

I disagree completely with your reasoning.

We are a nation of laws, not men.

There are 3 branches of government. None of the members of any of these 3 branches are above the law.

As regards future corrupt administrations, the Clinton adminstration violated so many laws with impunity in order to get political enemies, it is laughable that one would consider the manner of Jefferson's downfall to be opening any flood gate to future crooked administrations.


50 posted on 07/10/2006 7:09:46 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"None of the members of any of these 3 branches are above the law. "

No one claims they are- except silly people who want to argue against such a silly claim.

Straw men arguments are sure big with supporters of this raid.
In the judge's ruling he says the House :
" contends that even a review of the documents by the Court to determine privilege is unconstitutional. See Amicus Brief 29."
But, they didn't "contend" that:
"... Member to be present at the search and to be permitted to remove Speech or Debate pricileged materials prior to the search (subject , of course, to later judicial review as now occurs in the sdubpoena context)."

The Branches are not equal under the Constitution.
For example only one is protected by the Speech or Debate clause.

84 posted on 07/11/2006 11:14:43 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: ChildOfThe60s
"None of the members of any of these 3 branches are above the law."

Many Congressmen and Senators have been convicted of corruption in the past without raiding the House or Senate offices (see encl 1).

So even before this Search your statement was true. They were not above the law.


"Clinton administration violated so many laws with impunity in order to get political enemies,"

You are referring to Impeached former President Clintoon.

You could not have proven the point any better now haven't you. His Justice Department reeked with political intrigue.
Someone who seeks to be the First Women President had what?
FBI files of enemies. Hmmm who provided those? Come on.

We have prosecuted corrupt elected official in the past without entering the offices of a sitting Congress.

The wacky , awful, vain glorious Senators are our elected officials such as the are.

Our often Goofy and mostly short sighted Representatives are our closest relationship to Government.

There are a lot of them. On a good day dealing with them is like herding cats and that is exactly the way it is supposed to be.

Those who support this raid are unknowing stripping power from the elected Representatives of themselves. A very Bad idea.


W





1.
http://www.caught.net/prose/corrupti.htm#Congressmen

(1) United States v. Mitchell, 141 F. 666 (D. Or. 1905): Senator Mitchell caught in land fraud scheme; although he died before trial, Rep. John Williamson was convicted, but I found no appeal. See related case, United States v. Booth, 148 F. 112 (D. Or. 1906).

(2) Burton v. United States, 202 U.S. 344, 26 S.Ct. 688 (1905): Postmaster was causing trouble for a company who paid Sen. Burton for help.

(3) Curley v. United States, 160 F.2d 229 (D.C. Cir. 1947): Congressman involved in WW II fraud scheme.

(4) May v. United States, 175 F.2d 994 (D.C. Cir. 1949): Congressman convicted for taking bribes.

(5) Bramblett v. United States, 231 F.2d 489 (D.C. Cir. 1956): Congressman convicted of false claims in employee kickback scheme.

(6) United States v. Johnson, 337 F.2d 180 (4th Cir. 1964).

(7) United States v. Johnson, 383 U.S. 169, 86 S.Ct. 749 (1966): Congressman convicted of conspiracy to defraud US; Congressman Frank Boykin also convicted; see United States v. Johnson, 215 F.Supp. 300 (D.Md. 1963).

(8) United States v. Brewster, 408 U.S. 501, 92 S.Ct. 2531 (1972): Senator indicted and ultimately convicted of taking bribes; see related case, United States v. Anderson, 509 F.2d 312 (D.C. Cir. 1974).

(9) United States v. Dowdy, 479 F.2d 213 (4th Cir. 1973): Rep. convicted for taking bribes.
92 posted on 07/12/2006 9:01:24 AM PDT by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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