Illegal Aliens: A Few Myths to Keep in Mind . . .

Virginia Times Dispatch ^ | Aug 20, 2005 | Charles Grayson

[garbageseeker]

Illegal Aliens: A Few Myths to Keep in Mind . . .

Mexico City. Last Tuesday the Pew Hispanic Center announced that 41 percent of Mexicans surveyed in February and 46 percent questioned in May stated they would live in the United States if given "the means and opportunity." Indeed, two out of 10 people interviewed said they were prepared to enter the U.S. illegally. These figures could have amazing consequences because our Spanish- speaking neighbor has a population of nearly 106 million inhabitants.

[garbageseeker]

Those places are in clear sight. MacArthur Park is a very small place.

[garbageseeker]

This is a good site to start:


http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

[vox humana]

There hear for our social services and nothing else.

Hear, Hear!

[garbageseeker]

The good ole "type o" bug strikes again!

[Kimberly GG]

"There hear for our social services and nothing else."


I wonder if there is any way to find out what the stats are on illegals who are double dipping.....father's working and getting paid cash, paying no taxes, no record of employment, at the same time, the entire family is collecting food stamps, medicaid, free prescriptions, cash assistance, housing vouchers, utility assistance, etc.

Dana Rohrbacher made a point yesterday at the hearing of stressing that not only do employers need to be prosecuted for hiring illegals, but in order to get them to leave the country, ALL BENEFITS MUST ALSO BE DENIED.

[Kimberly GG]

"The Senate plan is a joke and must not pass."

I agree, but I don't think that the Senate plan for amnesty is as much a threat anymore as is the Pence plan for amnesty. The drumbeat here at FR for Pence '08 is getting louder. I guess the OBL have determined that his plan for amnesty is easily passed off as a compromise and, lol, that he 'looks' presidential.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1660605/posts?page=1#1

[Liz]

They work here because after ten years, they can afford a new home back home. Not that they'd want to return to the cess pool of corruption after enjoying the liberties of this country.

EXCERPT: Some Immigrants Are Offering Social Security Numbers for Rent

NY Times | 6/7/2005 | EDUARDO PORTER

Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number. Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico....he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him - providing a little cash along the way. "My brother in California has a friend who has crops and has people that need one."

Mr. Luviano's pending transaction is merely a blip in a shadowy yet vibrant underground market....undetected by American authorities, operating below the radar in immigrant communities from coast to coast, a secondary trade in identities has emerged straddling both sides of the Mexico-United States border.

Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund...........The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund. Since legal American residents can lose their green cards if they stay outside the country too long, it is useful to have somebody working under their identity north of the border.

"Sometimes the one who is working doesn't mind giving all the refund, he just wants to work," said Fernando Rosales, who runs a shop preparing income taxes in the immigrant-rich enclave of Huntington Park, Calif.

The income tax "refund" is almost certainly generated by Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) fraud, which as a "legal resident" the number renter would qualify to receive, especially if they have have or claim children. The EITC is a "refundable tax credit, which means the IRS will pay it out even if no taxes have been withheld or paid in. So the IRS gives filers who claim the EITC "refunds," even if they have had no taxes withheld.

These number renters can claim up to $4,400 for the 2005 tax year in EITC "refunds," most of the number renters probably claim this maximum refund. The Additional Child Tax Credit is another "refundable" credit which is no doubt routinely claimed by these renters.

For 2005, if the number renter claimed $14,400 in wage income, and three children, between the EITC and the Additional Child Tax Credit the renter would, without having any taxes withheld from wages, receive a tax "refund" of $4,898, plus have $892 credited to Social Security; in addition to the potential of thousands of dollars in California unemployment compensation.

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Sure, why not. We Floridians have been putting up with it for years.

But check the land ownership laws in Mexico. Foreigners cannot own land, you have to use a Mexican third party service. Health care access might be set up the same way.

[ovrtaxt]

I'm very suspicious of the Pence plan. Has he been a trojan horse all along?

[Liz]

They're here for our social services and nothing else.

One of the mosy insightful comments was posted by FReeper eakole after one of the infamous street marches: "These scofflaws and criminals do not only want American jobs, they also want all the rights of American Citizens with the intent to inflict upon us the failed customs, politics, and ignorance that frame the foundation of Mexico’s class-conscious tyranny, universal lawlessness and eternal poverty."

This FReeper would add that Mexico is a satrap ruled by a despotic government-of-the-wealthy that tosses citizens it considers useless over the US border, to become wards of American taxpayers, and the US welfare system. Now they demand veto power over US immigration policy. And some in our own Congress are prepared to ignore the US Constitution and have signed on to the Mexican agenda.

[Liz]

And don't, for one minute, think that they want to come here because they want to be Americans.

We are threatened by an invading foreign force with no allegiance to our Nation that has threatened to takeover with the vote and with violence, if necessary. Americans are defending our precious citizenship against those who would devalue it, who are dragging our country down into anarchy. As we American patriots gathered to celebrate our 230 years of independence as a great nation, we are reminded how easily our freedoms, and our way of life, can be taken away from us.

Marcus Tullius Cicero Roman Statesman Speech in the Roman Senate - 42 BC "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. "

[Redleg Duke]

"There hear for our social services and nothing else."

Don't you mean "They're here for our social services and nothing else"?

[pax_et_bonum]

We are threatened by an invading foreign force with no allegiance to our Nation that has threatened to takeover with the vote and with violence, if necessary.

Exactly.

I was horrified to learn that even the most responsible, rational, friendly students in my high school ESL class thought that their Mexican people were entitled to our land.

Most of them, however, weren't friendly but were resentful and/or obviously hate-filled toward me for no good reason.

This is, no doubt, a violent foreign invasion.

[Liz]

All of it---including sucking up US resources and sending billions back to Mexico----demonstrates the mindset of invasion rather than immigration-----and The Plan by illegals to overthrow the US government. Here's what we have to look forward to:

Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the Senate immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."

[Kimberly GG]

GWB sure was quick to embrace his 'compromise'. In some ways, the Pence plan is even more dangerous than the Senate plan:


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmUxMTRiNWFiNjY1YmMyZGViZTEyMTIyZGI3M2M3YzI=

[pax_et_bonum]

I agree and I'm afraid it's going to get bloody.

[garbageseeker]

Yes.

[garbageseeker]

And to make Aztlan a reality.

[garbageseeker]

I wonder if there is any way to find out what the stats are on illegals who are double dipping.....father's working and getting paid cash, paying no taxes, no record of employment, at the same time, the entire family is collecting food stamps, Medicaid, free prescriptions, cash assistance, housing vouchers, utility assistance, etc.

I think so, but private organizations like the Heritage Foundation or an audit by the Congressional Budget Office to find that out.

[garbageseeker]

The Pence plan is Amnesty-Lite