Brit Hume: Flag-burning ban fails by one vote (to be discussed on the "All Star" panel)

FoxNewsChannel ^ | 6-27-06 | DTogo

[DTogo]

Brit Hume just mentioned it.

[steve-b]

What's the White House got next to avoid talking about immigration?

Next up: An anti flag-marriage amendment, an anti gay-flag amendment, an anti marrying-gay-flag amendment....

[steve-b]

Desecrate it in public, you should go to jail.

Hokay. Write your Congressman to start the impeachment proceedings.

[steve-b]

Steyn Ping!

[mc5cents]

That’s the point: a flag has to be worth torching. When a flag gets burned, that’s not a sign of its weakness but of its strength. If you can’t stand the heat of your burning flag, get out of the superpower business. It’s the left that believes the state can regulate everyone into thought-compliance. The right should understand that the battle of ideas is won out in the open.

Mark Steyn is one smart fellow! And right on the mark here.

[Brilliant]

It failed by one vote for a simple reason: The Dems are playing games. They allow as many of their members to climb onto the bandwagon as possible, but they are careful not to let enough of them climb on so that it actually passes.

[backtothestreets]

"It failed by one vote for a simple reason: The Dems are playing games."

And you obviously feel the Republicans are not playing games. The Republicans that control every branch of our federal government and sit on their hands while thousands of US citizens are killed, raped or murdered at the hands of illegal immigrants on US soil, in addition to the countless hundreds of thousands that are victims of crimes committed by these same illegal immigrants including assaults, car thefts, burglaries, robberies, and vandalism to name but a few.

Tell me the last time burning a flag in protest killed someone, and why protecting a THING is more important than protecting the lives and property of US citizens on US soil, then tell me who is playing games!

The Democrats are snakes in the grass. The Republicans are their spineless cousins squirming in the muck. I'm very upset they place a higher priority on material things than life itself! What value is anything if the protection of life itself cannot be assured?

[tgambill]

"That’s the point: a flag has to be worth torching. When a flag gets burned, that’s not a sign of its weakness but of its strength. If you can’t stand the heat of your burning flag, get out of the superpower business. It’s the left that believes the state can regulate everyone into thought-compliance. The right should understand that the battle of ideas is won out in the open."

*****Okay.....I'll concede to a point that this quote has me now pondering the burning flag issue. This was well put...

[RunningWolf]

That could be well put, but it is out of context. We are not talking about jihad's in Pakistan burning the US flag and images of G. Bush.

Forget all the clever but deceitful double-talk. These people (not mc5cents) are advocating besmirching of our own national symbology within our own borders. They might as well be pissing on the graves of the people who died for the flag, and most likely several of them have.

They have no regard for what the flag repesensts. Its just a colored piece of cloth that to them & they will do with it as they please. Or in fact they do regard what the flag represents, and this is their side door opening to piss upon the symbology of our nation right in our face.

I am fed up with these liberal atheist gay boy abortionist USA hating infiltrator trolls getting the support/forum they do.

Wolf

[tgambill]

that puts it into context.......In many other countries if you did that literally you would be shot or taken out in the middle of the night.....

[Brilliant]

The GOP was not playing this particular game. All of the GOP Senators voted for it except the three RINOs who you'd expect.

[garbanzo]

Or in fact they do regard what the flag represents, and this is their side door opening to piss upon the symbology of our nation right in our face.

And that's why this nation is so great - we are strong enough to allow people who hate the country to express their viewpoints too.

[backtothestreets]

"The GOP was not playing this particular game. All of the GOP Senators voted for it except the three RINOs who you'd expect."

The GOP IS playing a game! The GOP has stalled immigration reform most likely until after the elections as they are quite aware most citizens are not pleased with the legislation they intend to shove down our throats.

Consider this, IF the GOP were so concerned about the proper use and display of the flag, why haven't they levied protests against professional sports that have sewn flags on the uniforms of their players, some of whom refuse to stand during The National Anthem, and with complete disregard to the Flag Code that states the wearing of the flag is reserved to "the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations" (Sec. 8 (j)). Imagine that. The wearing of the flag on uniforms is supposed to be reserved to those people actually placing their lives on the line for others.

This proposed amendment is fluff. It addresses but one symbol of our nation and a single act of desecration. The GOP needs to focus their attention to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty.

It is sad you are so supportive of a proposed law intended to control the behavior of a very few of our citizens while millions of illegal immigrants show a complete disregard for our laws ... ON OUR SOIL!

Understand this, the total prison population in our nation is now over 2 million inmates, of which nonresidents comprise over 30% and ever increasing. Even if the illegal immigrant population were the high ended number of 20 million, they represent a mere 6% of the overall population of our nation, yet represent 5 times that proportion of the prison population. In the federal prison system alone, approximately 28% of the inmates housed for capital crimes are illegal immigrants. That's more than one in four inmates!

I can browse the reports from throughout our nation daily and find murder after murder committed by illegal immigrants, but go weeks and months without reading a report of a US flag being burned in protest on our soil, and none that result in death.

Please, and I mean this respectfully, take a moment to explain how a proposed amendment outlawing a single act of desecration against a single symbol of our nation will protect even one US citizen from being murdered, raped, assaulted, or otherwise becoming a victim of crimes committed by illegal immigrants on our soil. Can you honestly continue to support the GOP effort while so many of our citizens fall victim to the problem the GOP is afraid to address before the elections?

[Hacksaw]

Um, no. As evidence, American flags have been burnt and defaced probably since they have been around. The ideas have not been destroyed. Your claim is disproved.

The British burning the White House during the War of 1812 didn't destroy the ideas either, but it's something that had rather negative connotations (besides, he didn't say destroy, he said burn). The act of burning a flag is the symbolic burning of the ideas and the Constitution for which it stands.

Real Patriots know the difference between an idea and the symbol of that idea.

I don't think "Real Patriots" would defend flag burning as "free speech", especially since the "right" to do so was invented by judges. The amendment which you are against is the precisely the method our founders gave us to appropriately handle issues which affect the consitution. In this case, it is to correct the actions of judges who invented a right (unless of course you are one of those "living and breathing constitution types).

The support of flag burning as constitutionally protected is support for judicial legislation.

This bill was aimed to please Sunday Patriots.

Dick Durbin said something along those lines. I'll give your statement the same consideration I gave Durbin's.

However, congratulations for posting on a topic other that Darwin.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The act of burning a flag is the symbolic burning of the ideas and the Constitution for which it stands."

Being symbolic, they do not actually burn or destroy the ideas or the Constitution which contains those ideas. My point was correct.

"I don't think "Real Patriots" would defend flag burning as "free speech", especially since the "right" to do so was invented by judges."

The right to do so is recognized in the Constitution on two fronts; freedom of speech and the right to private property. Real patriots understand this; it was not for a piece of cloth that men and women died.

"The amendment which you are against is the precisely the method our founders gave us to appropriately handle issues which affect the consitution."

The amendment in question would curtail 1st amendment rights and would limit our rights to private property.

"In this case, it is to correct the actions of judges who invented a right (unless of course you are one of those "living and breathing constitution types)."

The constitution CLEARLY recognizes the right to free speech and the right to private property. If I buy a flag, I own it and nobody has a legitimate power to tell me what I can or can't do with it, unless private property rights are an illusion.

"Dick Durbin said something along those lines. I'll give your statement the same consideration I gave Durbin's."

Dick Durbin was correct, if only on that point then. I'll note in passing that your mentioning of Durbin is a classic logical fallacy, as whether he agrees or not is not a logical argument pro or con.

This bill had nothing to do with any pressing national matter and everything to do with pleasing a certain simpleminded segment of the Republican party that can be whipped up into in a frenzy over this issue. It's for the Sunday patriots.

"However, congratulations for posting on a topic other that Darwin."

Congratulations on not being able to provide a logical argument, not matter what thread you are posting on. Bringing up other threads is also a logical fallacy, BTW. At least you are consistently illogical from thread to thread.

[traviskicks]

Republicans desecrate the flag by violating it's core prinicple: freedom.

[mvpel]

Not if I own it. Unless you want to throw away the Constitution.

The fact that they're trying to jam through an amendment means that they KNOW that burning a flag is a political act that is protected under the First Amendment. So they're perfectly content to throw away the Constitution by violating one of the prerequisites by which it was adopted by the original thirteen colonies.

[duckln]

IMO it passed 66 to 34, but was 'filibustered'.

For this we can thank the GANG OF SEVEN. They gave the minority Democrats leverage and power beyond their numbers.

[HiTech RedNeck]

It was a Frog

[HiTech RedNeck]

There is no power of voodoo in a flag. A million could be burned, assuming someone wanted to blow enough money to buy them all and deal with the ashes afterwards, and the country would remain exactly the same thing it had been.

[Diamond]

George H. W. Bush, he who brought us handicapped parking spaces

Wasn't it Jimmy Carter?

Cordially,