Posted on 06/27/2006 11:37:28 AM PDT by Spiff
House Race Hotline Extra: Utah 03 Some quotes to illustrate the importance of this race.
"There is a very good chance that he could go down," Jeff Hartley, executive director of the Utah Republican Party, tells First Read. "You wouldn't have the involvement from the White House if he weren't in jeopardy." (NBC News)
Consultant LeVarr Webb: "A low turnout is expected, so be one of the few who make a difference and have a voice." (Utah Policy Daily) )
UT GOP Chair Joe Cannon "says he's trying to stay neutral" in his brother's UT 03 primary, "but it didn't come across that way" in his online comments about challenger/alleged Satan victim John Jacob (Salt Lake Tribune).
A poll published over the weekend by the Deseret Morning News and KSL-TV, conducted by Dan Jones & Associates, found Cannon ahead — 46-33 percent among registered voters in the 3rd District. But 18 percent of voters remained undecided. "That's one of the highest 'undecideds' numbers I've seen so close to a primary election," said Jones, who has polled in Utah for more than 30 years. (Deseret News)
Jacob backtracks on his "Satan" comments: "What the [Salt Lake Tribune] reported and what I said weren't the same thing. It wasn't that [the devil] was trying to keep me out of Washington. I was just saying when you're trying to get into politics, there's a lot of adversity. … Contrary to reports of saying it was keeping me from being there, it was going to help me in training when I get there. It's not the devil; it's adversity." (Utah Policy Daily)
How much money has Cannon received from La Raza? Even Spiff the Buchananite only claims a vague "groups supporting cheap labor" in his overposted graphic.
I can get you started: http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norcansea.shtml
Thanks for posting all these Spiff but the mindless Cannonbots will never listen. Facts will never penetrate their heads
No time like the present to get involved.
When you forgive the illegal acts of an entire class of lawbreakers, it is amnesty. Doesn't matter how you sugarcoat it or promise to make the lawbreakers do this or that (which you and I both know won't be enforced), it is amnesty.
And I don't think that those who clamor for "guest workers" (another Orwellian euphemism) are necessarily for "open borders". On the contrary, all the "guest worker" program is, is an amnesty for the employers who are currently breaking the law with a wink and a nod from the government. It will allow them to continue to exploit uneducated labor and pass the social costs on to the taxbase, but legally. All hail the gravy train.
And both pieces of legislation have more loopholes than a stripper's lingerie. They will encourage yet more illegal border crossing to fill the spots in the blackmarket labor force that the newly "forgiven" illegals no longer occupy.
Thanks for fixing the spelling regarding Luis Gutierrez, I'll be sure to look to you from now on whenever I'm not sure about a democrat's name since you obviously have them down pat. In the meantime, you go on sticking up for yours and Luis Gutierrez's pal Chris Cannon and I'll support the pro-American John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.
And I appreciate that your fun with cut-and-paste is an admission that you have nothing original to say.
I have been following the political bloggers in Utah partly here
www.utahpolitics.org/
I would say thats its fair to say that Cannon has got conservative supporters from viewing it the last two weeks
You see, I pay attention to things.
Carolyn I have to admit you do have a sense of humor.
Spiff would be in gloria steinem mode by now, calling me a misongynist(as he does whenever I have a critical word about michelle malkin) .
You're welcome.
I post facts. They post insults and stuff about Satan and Bay Buchanan, whom they seem to consider to be the Anti-Christ or something. Bizarre.
It is hard to take the moral high ground when you're shilling for 20 million border-violating criminals. It is equally hard to claim you're engaging in intelligent debate when your argument amounts to calling your opponents, "Poopyhead!"
Ignorance abounds. That's the only explanation I can come up with for the Democrats and their liberal allies in the Republican Party.
I agree with mikea this is not amnesty.
I like how this blogger puts it
Amnesty" - The Right's Equivalent to "Medicare Cuts"
I'm going to use the claim by Powerlineblog.com that Mel Martinez is supporting amnesty to explore into one of my biggest complaints about the opponents of the Martinez-Hagel compromise immigration bill. To wit, that it is an "amnesty" that rewards lawbreakers.
That has about as much veracity as claims that the Republicans in Congress, by reducing the rate of Medicare growth from three times the rate of inflation to twice the rate of inflation, were "cutting Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich". It was called "Mediscare", because the Democrats, led by Bill Clinton, resorted to the tactics of fear. And it was all a lie.
The Martinez-Hagel bill also has been the subject of a fear-mongering campaign, that has included the Heritage Foundation. Let's take a good look at the provisions for illegal immigrants to come clean in the McCain-Kennedy bill also derided as amnesty - and keep in mind that Senators Martinez and Hagel came up with a bill that was tougher than McCain-Kennedy (I am using the Google cache for those who may have trouble with Senator Martinez's web site):
Illegal immigrants must pay a fine to remain here for up to six years.
If they wish to apply for citizenship, there is an additional fine. They also have to pay their back taxes.
An amendment to the Martinez-Hagel bill sets a standard that one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out. Call this probation/a suspended sentence.
In other words, there is punishment in this bill - in the form of fines, restitution, and probation. It is not the punishment (deportation) that hard-liners like Michelle Malkin, LaShawn Barber, Polipundit, Tom Tancredo, Jeff Sessions, and others demand, but it is still punishment. As Big Lizards points out (with examples), an amnesty is something completely different than what is being proposed. What is being offered here is a plea-bargain, in which people admit guilt for a lesser sentence.
Yet the hard-liners persist in calling it what it is not, and use terms like Quisling and agents of Mexico to describe those who disagree with their hard-line views. Others accuse President Bush of being a dictator, and describe those who disagree with their proposed solutions as supporters of open borders (I want the border secure - I just don't think a 21st-Century equivalent of the Maginot Line is the best way to secure the border).
In other words, President Bush, Senator Martinez, and others trying to pass this comprehensive bill are being attacked with scurrilous statements that have no more truth in them than Bill Clinton's claims of Medicare cuts had in 1995. There is a word for this type of conduct. It's called lying.
http://calledasseen.blogspot.com/2006/05/amnesty-rights-equivalent-to-medicare.html
So is Chris Cannon an American, but they are both acting against this country's interests, and worse yet they're pals who demonize conservatives at their little social get togethers.
Only when I'm imitating YOU, mocking your postings here about "ethnic animus" and such crap. In that same post I mocked your "ethnic animus" cannard by saying you hate Michelle Malkin because of your "ethnic animus" towards people of Phillipine descent.
And yesterday you used the term "animistic woody".
We all laugh at you behind your back, you know.
Does the Right Hand Know What the Far Right Hand Doeth?
by Gordon S. Jones
Quarterback Bay Buchanan, of Team America, steps up to the line of scrimmage and surveys the playing field, trying to read the defense:
1. At the Utah Republican Convention she blasts John Jacob as being weak on immigration. She and her organization endorse Merrill Cook (in fact she nominates him) against Chris Cannon in Utah’s Third District.
Fair enough. After all, Jacob had called Tom Tancredo, founder of Team America, “an opportunist,” and implied some harsher things. He also failed the UFIRE interview, provoking a very harsh e-mail attack on him.
2. But Cook lost at convention, leaving Jacob the only anti-Cannon game in town, so Buchanan calls an audible at the line of scrimmage, and Team America comes to Utah with an ad campaign endorsing Jacob.
3. Meantime, however, at a joint interview with the editors of the Provo Daily Herald, Cannon had mentioned the compromise plan being proposed by Indiana Rep. Mike Pence. Oh yes, says Jacob. Pence probably got the idea from me.
4. That is unlikely, since Pence actually got the idea from Helen Krieble of the Vernon Krieble Foundation. You can read Pence’s short description of it here, and the complete Krieble Foundation report here. Utah State Senator Howard Stephenson has mooted a related idea around.
5. But wherever Pence got it, it is doing him no good with Team America. On their website (where you can also see a picture of Chris Cannon with a bull’s eye painted on him) [since taken down — Ed.] there is a vicious attack on Mike Pence and his proposal, and Bay’s brother Pat blitzes Pence in an op-ed posted on TownHall.
So here you have Team America running ads supporting John Jacob whose position on immigration is similar to Mike Pence’s—and Chris Cannon’s for that matter—at the same time Team America targets the former for political annihilation and the latter for…well, who knows?
Time out, and back to the huddle.
NB: the use of the term “right” in the headline is not to be confused with “conservative,” at least as I understand the terms and use them. The “right” in this sense implies a certain cultural and social attitude that is often shared by conservatives, but not always. Sometimes terms like “social conservative” are used to make the distinction, but I prefer to describe myself as a conservative, but not a Man of the Right. By rights, to avoid confusion, I should have modified the headline, but I was so enamored of the wordplay I couldn’t bring myself to do it. Maybe if I could have gotten the football metaphor to work out better….
Accidental ignorance is curable. Deliberate ignorance is not.
Check this board out, not one Cannon supporter from the district on it. Hope they vote:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=317769&comments=true
I could really care less how you and your 10 LPper friends of yours get your jollies in the biker bar.
No, I post the facts about his conservative record to prove that you have no argument against him besides the font size of his name on the congressional Caucus that he founded and on which he serves as Chairman. I post his conservative voting record and you complain that he is on TV too much.
The point is to demonstrate beyond all doubt that you have nothing but petty arguments to throw at this conservative Republican powerhouse.
If Reagan was your best then Tancredo has to your worst. Reagan and Tancredo were exact opposites on illegal immigration.
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