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To: LexBaird; MikeA

I agree with mikea this is not amnesty.

I like how this blogger puts it
Amnesty" - The Right's Equivalent to "Medicare Cuts"

I'm going to use the claim by Powerlineblog.com that Mel Martinez is supporting amnesty to explore into one of my biggest complaints about the opponents of the Martinez-Hagel compromise immigration bill. To wit, that it is an "amnesty" that rewards lawbreakers.

That has about as much veracity as claims that the Republicans in Congress, by reducing the rate of Medicare growth from three times the rate of inflation to twice the rate of inflation, were "cutting Medicare to pay for tax cuts for the rich". It was called "Mediscare", because the Democrats, led by Bill Clinton, resorted to the tactics of fear. And it was all a lie.

The Martinez-Hagel bill also has been the subject of a fear-mongering campaign, that has included the Heritage Foundation. Let's take a good look at the provisions for illegal immigrants to come clean in the McCain-Kennedy bill also derided as amnesty - and keep in mind that Senators Martinez and Hagel came up with a bill that was tougher than McCain-Kennedy (I am using the Google cache for those who may have trouble with Senator Martinez's web site):

Illegal immigrants must pay a fine to remain here for up to six years.
If they wish to apply for citizenship, there is an additional fine. They also have to pay their back taxes.
An amendment to the Martinez-Hagel bill sets a standard that one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out. Call this probation/a suspended sentence.
In other words, there is punishment in this bill - in the form of fines, restitution, and probation. It is not the punishment (deportation) that hard-liners like Michelle Malkin, LaShawn Barber, Polipundit, Tom Tancredo, Jeff Sessions, and others demand, but it is still punishment. As Big Lizards points out (with examples), an amnesty is something completely different than what is being proposed. What is being offered here is a plea-bargain, in which people admit guilt for a lesser sentence.

Yet the hard-liners persist in calling it what it is not, and use terms like Quisling and agents of Mexico to describe those who disagree with their hard-line views. Others accuse President Bush of being a dictator, and describe those who disagree with their proposed solutions as supporters of open borders (I want the border secure - I just don't think a 21st-Century equivalent of the Maginot Line is the best way to secure the border).

In other words, President Bush, Senator Martinez, and others trying to pass this comprehensive bill are being attacked with scurrilous statements that have no more truth in them than Bill Clinton's claims of Medicare cuts had in 1995. There is a word for this type of conduct. It's called lying.


http://calledasseen.blogspot.com/2006/05/amnesty-rights-equivalent-to-medicare.html


171 posted on 06/27/2006 2:08:11 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (I am Blogging for the GOP and Victory O6 at www.theponderingamerican.blogspot.com)
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To: catholicfreeper
Your blogger is all wet, striving to create an equivalence where none exists. In the Medicare BS, the opponents were calling a lesser increase a cut. We are calling forgiving of past illegal actions an amnesty, which is a perfectly valid definition of the word. From your cite:

Illegal immigrants must pay a fine to remain here for up to six years. If they wish to apply for citizenship, there is an additional fine. They also have to pay their back taxes. An amendment to the Martinez-Hagel bill sets a standard that one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out. Call this probation/a suspended sentence. In other words, there is punishment in this bill - in the form of fines, restitution, and probation. It is not the punishment (deportation) that hard-liners like Michelle Malkin, LaShawn Barber, Polipundit, Tom Tancredo, Jeff Sessions, and others demand, but it is still punishment. As Big Lizards points out (with examples), an amnesty is something completely different than what is being proposed. What is being offered here is a plea-bargain, in which people admit guilt for a lesser sentence.

The blogger is just plain wrong. As he points out, the penalties are not for the past illegal activities, but are in essence fee for the continuation of the activities under a legal aegis. "[A] fine to remain here..." ; "If they wish to apply for citizenship..."; "...have to pay their back taxes." Well, anyone who has skipped paying taxes would be liable, so this is hardly a "punishment" for being here illegally. How about imposing the sort of wage garnishment a citizen would be liable for?

As for the other two, they describe what the illegals must pay for future actions, not a punishment for things already done. Those things are forgiven, as is pointed out by this ludicrous statement: "one felony conviction or three misdemeanor convictions, is sufficient for a person to be kicked out." If you add up the par-for-the-course actions of illegals beyond merely illegal entry, you typically have Social Security fraud, purchasing and using false identity documents, tax evasion, fraudulent welfare benefit application, soliciting an illegal act (applying for a job they cannot legally hold), and driving without a license (just for starters). There is easily one felony and three misdemeanors here if I had done this, yet all these action won't count. They will have received amnesty for these actions. Further, since the illegals are not to be held to the punishment prescribed by the existing law at the time of the violation (i.e. summary deportation), they are clearly being given amnesty for that act as well.

232 posted on 06/27/2006 3:30:44 PM PDT by LexBaird ("Politically Correct" is the politically correct term for "F*cking Retarded". - Psycho Bunny)
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