Damn you Hans Brix!!!!
I heard that some "unnamed" intelligence official wants to eat some to prove these weapons were too degraded to be effective.
Another great find JV. You sure are kicking some lefty tail.
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I think this is an example of why we should never assume someone is an expert simply because they are brave or foolish enough to open their mouth and make a conclusive statement about something. The continued emphasis in the media on the assumed fact that these chemical weapons were too old to be useful bothered me because of the hair splitting nature of the statement but now that the UN (of all places) has helped cast doubt on how useless or degraded these weapons could be it becomes clear that some deprogramming is in order because I like so many had sat silently an accepted the distasteful meal served up by the media. I think that the whole WMD coverup in the media will come unraveled eventually. We know that large numbers of drums of "pesticides" were found as well as the raw materials one step away from being combined into deadly chemical weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/13/iraq.chemicals/
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/14/sprj.irq.labs/
Interesting preware look at WMDs in Iraq:
http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/csis-WMDIraq.pdf
The New York Times reported ten days before the invasion that UN weapons inspectors in Iraq had discovered a new variety of rocket seemingly configured to strew bomblets filled with chemical or biological agents over large areas.1 The weapon was discovered after the UN inspectors returned to Iraq in November.
At first, Iraq told the inspectors that it was designed as a conventional cluster bomb, which would scatter explosive sub-munitions over its target, and not as a chemical weapon. A few days later, the Iraqis conceded that some of the weapons might have been configured as chemical weapons.
But it remains unclear, according to the UNMOVIC report, whether the Iraqi cluster warhead is a newly-developed one, devised during the absence of inspectors over the past four years, or whether its existence had been kept secret before 1998, when the inspectors left.2
In addition, the situation regarding anthrax stocks also remained unresolved.Despite receiving an updated report from Baghdad just before the war in Iraq began, UN inspectors continued to doubt that Iraq had destroyed all of its anthrax stores. In the report, Iraq tried to account for the destruction of 3,400 liters of anthrax agent at al-Hakam. A translation of the report from Arabic was completed recently and UNMOVIC experts have since reviewed the report.3
Citing data collected from soil samples, Iraq claimed it used a sufficient quantity of potassium manganate to neutralize all the anthrax at its al-Hakam facility. UNMOVIC spokesman Ewen Buchanan said commission experts were skeptical that the Iraqi report completely documented anthrax destruction activities.4
Even if the document were true, he said, Iraq had still not fully accounted for the remainder of the 8,445 liters of anthrax agent it had declared that it produced at two facilities and destroyed. Iraq previously had declared that some of the material had been loaded into aerial bombs and missile warheads.5
Three days before the war started, the Washington Post reported that despite US administration claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, US intelligence agencies had been unable to give Congress or the Pentagon specific information about the amounts of banned weapons or where they were hidden.6
Whether or not US or UK forces find chemical or biological weapons in Iraq over the next weeks or months, the data previously collected by UNMOVIC will be useful in a longer-term clarification of the situation."
Box 2:
What US inspectors are looking for:
Chemical Weapons:
80 tones of mustard gas unaccounted for by Iraq weaponized VX nerve agent-- UN says Iraq may have retained this stocks of tabun, sarin, cyclosarin-- UN disputes Iraq’s declaration on this
Biological weapons:
10,000 litres of anthrax-- “strong presumption” that this still exists according to the UN
3-11,000 litres of botulinum toxin--UN says Iraq failed to disprove figures of previous inspectors
Up to 5,600 litres of clostridium perfringens-- UN says Iraq failed to disprove figures of previous inspectors
Missiles:
86 Samoud 2 missiles which fly more than the permitted range of 150 km-- Out of 120 listed by UN, 34 have been destroyed
Scud and al-Hussein missiles system, plus 50 Scud-B warheads,-- UN says this “suggests” they may have been retained for “proscribed missile force”
Munitions: R-400 bombs, which can deliver chemical and biological weapons--(no comment from the UN on what's become of these).
Signs and indications, but no ‘smoking gun’
Despite frequent media reports that coalition military forces are finding ‘signs’ and ‘indications’ of chemical and biological weapons, usually turning out to be unspecified documents and possible dual-use equipment, to date no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found.
Substantive evidence of a ‘smoking gun’ remains as elusive as ever.
As the coalition forces advanced increasing effort was devoted to locating CB weapons, but to no effect.
For example, an entire artillery brigade, typically comprising 3,000-5,000 soldiers, was retrained to secure and examine sites suspected of holding banned weapons. And the Pentagon offered rewards of up to $200,000 for help in finding Iraqi leaders or chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.14
www.basicint.org/iraqconflict/ Pubs/Web%20Notes/WN200603.pdf
I am more concerned about the Sarin rounds. I don't know exactly which type the Sarin rounds in Iraq are, but the American 155-mm Sarin (GB) projectiles each contain 6.5 pounds of Sarin. This is approximately 30,000 lethal percutaneous doses. If the GB Projos made it to the black market, those terrorists would never consider lauching the thing, they would drain the Agent out and use it at the Superbowl, or the NYC Subway system. The media is focused on the fact that the Iraqi artillery rounds are not in firing condition, but that is completely beside the point.
Let the lefties test these chemicals, under supervision.
it is absurd now that kerry and the senate are debating when to lose the war now that it was based in fact on good intelligence and supported by 29 Dems
The facility was established in 1941 as an ordnance facility for storing conventional munitions in support of the United State's entry into World War II. The construction of 1,001 ammunition storage igloos began in February 1941. Subsequently, the functions of the Depot were extended to include ammunition demolition (1945), renovation (1947) and maintenance (1955). The U.S. Army began storing chemical munitions at the facility in 1962. Conventional (explosive) ordnance is no longer stored at UMCD. Chemical weapons are stored at a separate facility within the boundaries of the depot. These weapons are scheduled to be destroyed by 2004. No transfer of land will be made until the chemical weapons stored within the facility are neutralized.
Umatilla’s stockpile consists of projectiles, rockets, land mines, spray tanks and bombs containing the nerve agents GB and VX. Ton containers stored at the depot are filled with the blister agent HD, more commonly referred to as mustard agent. Chemical weapons storage facilities are operated under the U.S. Army Chemical and Biological Defense Command. Currently 12% of the nation's stockpiled chemical munitions are stored within UMCD. In 1986, in response to public concern about the potential health threat posed by the disposal of chemical weapons, Congress passed Public Law 99-145, which requires the Department of Defense (DOD) to dispose of chemical weapon stockpiles. In accordance with 50 U.S.C. (War and National Defense), (Chapter 32) section 1521, that mandates the destruction of chemical weapons by December 31, 2004, the U.S. Army plans to build and operate an incineration facility to treat the chemical weapons stockpiled at UMCD.
Umatilla Chemical Depot
If there is no problem with serin and mustard gas after so many years why was the Democrat Governor of Oregon so concerned about all the safty precautions before he would approve of the facility to burn these chemicals?
They can't make up their minds.
The burning facility was supposed to be up and running and all the chemicals burnt by 2004, but because of the Governor not giving his OK it was pushed up to 2007 and now it looks like 2009 before they are all burnt.
I remember when the first IED using a sarin gas artillery shell was used against our troops. Martha Raditz on the Peter Jennings show said "We'll see if this rusty old shell will be enough to save the Republican cause for war" or something to that effect. These were not buried in a field in Europe. They were in bunkers in the desert and will keep for a long, long time.
A friend who is the sunni triangle on his second tour told of finding numerous bunkers during the invasion with barrels of "pesticides" stored next to binary chemical weapons artillery shells in bunkers. Who'da thought they had such a problem with roaches in those chemical weapons bunkers.
It's been proven, thanks in large part to jveritas, that sadamm had wmd, supported terrorists that wanted to destroy America, including al queda, had corrupted the un oil for food program and was rearming, was slaughtering muslims and bulldozing whole villages into mass graves and had kept the starter kit for nuclear weapons hidden from inspectors. In other words, all the reasons given by the President for going to war. Yet the msm and the democrats shout "He lied people died
The press will not believe this until the insurgents use them to kill off an entire city population of civilians or full base of troops. Then, they will blame Bush for not "finding them in time".
LET CNN KNOW that we found weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/dotcom/
CNN.com earth hottest in 2000 years (every other headline was 400 years) FBI raids terrorists (2 little black children shown in front of FBI agents, implying racial profiling)
Amazing the way the left will twist themselves into pretzels to try to give credence and legitimacy to Saddam Hussein.
And Fidel Castro, Manuel Noriega, Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, Che Guevara...etc.etc.etc.
Are ya listening to DomG and his interview with Santorum??
http://www.thebigtalker1210.com/
I emailed him this thread .. I hope he reads it
N-i-c-e!!
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Wow. Please send this to Jane Harman so she can store it under her sink now.
CNN will be all over this now...