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30 rebels attacked slain U.S. troops in Iraq-witness
Reuters ^ | 6/21/06

Posted on 06/21/2006 10:03:01 AM PDT by TexKat

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To: Alberta's Child

"4. Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model. "

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm


61 posted on 06/21/2006 2:04:41 PM PDT by StarCMC ("The word of muslims will never, ever override what our U.S. Marines say." - TheCrusader)
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To: ordinaryguy; piasa

The point is that to be covered by Geneva Conventions you must behave in certain ways. The insurgents (which some want to classify as militias) do not meet the criteria, and thus, are NOT covered under the Geneva Convention, although, as with the case of Gitmo, they are being treated as if they do.


62 posted on 06/21/2006 2:07:54 PM PDT by StarCMC ("The word of muslims will never, ever override what our U.S. Marines say." - TheCrusader)
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To: StarCMC
The point is that to be covered by Geneva Conventions you must behave in certain ways.

Correct. That was not the original claim made in post #3.

63 posted on 06/21/2006 2:17:03 PM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: StarCMC

I don't see how a "security contractor" who has been hired to perform military functions in Iraq or Afghanistan meets those any of those conditions.


64 posted on 06/21/2006 2:23:28 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: ordinaryguy

Sorry -- I must have misread then -- I will admit to skimming as I'm at work.


65 posted on 06/21/2006 2:29:14 PM PDT by StarCMC ("The word of muslims will never, ever override what our U.S. Marines say." - TheCrusader)
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To: Brad Cloven
It is a War Crime according to the Geneva Convention to fail to wear identifiable uniforms.

Don't you know the Geneva Convention only applies to members of the United States and allied forces?
66 posted on 06/21/2006 2:29:32 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Alberta's Child
or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces

I disagree. I DO believe they meet the criteria.

67 posted on 06/21/2006 2:30:23 PM PDT by StarCMC ("The word of muslims will never, ever override what our U.S. Marines say." - TheCrusader)
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To: Alberta's Child

That has been my complaint for a long time now, we need more troops in Iraq.


68 posted on 06/21/2006 2:30:52 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: StarCMC
The U.S. military has no need of "security contractors" to provide security for the armed forces, since the armed forces by definition are -- well, armed.

A security contractor whose personnel are used to guard fuel convoys and supply trucks for construction projects, etc., does not meet any of these criteria. In fact, having this kind of non-military construction activity going on in a freaking war zone is one of the most idiotic aspects of this whole thing. It would be the equivalent of implementing the Marshall Plan in Europe in July of 1943.

69 posted on 06/21/2006 2:51:10 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: TexKat
Good afternoon.
"The blood thirsty monsters would need live individuals in order to receive pleasure."

Watch for videos on the Islamist websites. If there are no films of the actual murders, we may assume the troopers were already dead when they were mutilated.

We need to hunt down and kill the bastards that did it anyway, and we need to display their bodies.

Michael Frazier
70 posted on 06/21/2006 3:12:34 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Revenge of Sith
Good afternoon.
"I guess the claim that Zarquawi's successor killed them is bu!!$h*t."

I would count on it being a lie.

The witness is reported as describing baggy black uniforms. Isn't that Saddam's Fedayeen?

Michael Frazier
71 posted on 06/21/2006 3:24:54 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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The witness is reported as describing baggy black uniforms. Isn't that Saddam's Fedayeen?

Keep in mind most of the pictures of the live Zarqawi, one would find that @$$wipe dressed in black.

72 posted on 06/21/2006 3:55:32 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat

Blow up that area!


73 posted on 06/21/2006 3:56:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (Liberals are dangerous for America.)
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To: TexKat
Good afternoon.
"Keep in mind most of the pictures of the live Zarqawi, one would find that @$$wipe dressed in black."

Yes, you are right.

Michael Frazier
74 posted on 06/21/2006 3:58:11 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville; Peach

Washington escalates slaughter in Iraq (Barf Alert)

Bill Van Auken, WSWS

21 June 2006

The killing of two American soldiers captured by insurgents at a roadblock south of Baghdad will be seized upon by Washington as justification for an intensified bloodbath against the Iraqi people.

Well before the discovery of the bodies of the young soldiers, reportedly bearing the marks of torture and mutilation, there were already mounting indications that the Bush White House and the Pentagon were implementing a shift in military tactics that spells a dramatic escalation of US violence in the occupied country.

The mass media, which has shown little inclination to highlight the daily death toll of American troops, now totaling over 2,500—much less the far greater toll of Iraqi dead, estimated in the hundreds of thousands—has exhibited keen interest in the fate of the two executed enlisted men, including gruesome details of their deaths. Their aim is to whip up an atmosphere of hatred and revenge against the Iraqi population.

Brutal killings of occupation troops are the inevitable product of every colonial war fought in the history of mankind. Yet virtually every US television announcer and every newspaper headline writer has felt a duty to proclaim the "barbaric" and "savage" character of these particular deaths, words that are never applied to the torture deaths of Iraqis in the confines of Abu Ghraib and other US detention centers, the slaughter of men, women and children in their own homes by 500-pound bombs, or the indiscriminate killing of civilians on Iraqi roads in the name of "force protection."

The media has granted instant credibility to an Internet posting which claims that the purported new leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq—Abu Hamza al-Muhajir—personally beheaded the American soldiers. This dubious claim is promoted to provide a personification of evil for mass consumption, with the aim of conditioning the American people for the mass killing that is about to be carried out in their name.

Government and media propaganda aside, these killings are a telling indication that more than three years after invading and occupying Iraq, US forces have failed to secure the very ground upon which they stand. The ability of masked gunmen to seize the soldiers, hold them for three days, kill them and dump their bodies, and then mine both the location of the corpses and the road leading to it, without being captured or detected by the thousands of troops searching for them, is evidence that those fighting the US occupation enjoy widespread support and sympathy from within the Iraqi population.

It should be recalled that the bloodbath unleashed upon Fallujah in November 2004 followed the killing and mutilation of four military contractors—hired mercenaries—who were ambushed while driving through the Iraqi city. The city was turned into a free-fire zone and much of it was reduced to rubble by means of high explosive bombs, complimented by napalm and chemical weapons.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24120&l=i&size=1&hd=0


75 posted on 06/21/2006 4:27:59 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: taxed2death

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:zcINHh5lbmEJ:www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n3p-7_Beary.html+indian+tortures&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6


76 posted on 06/21/2006 4:28:43 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw
Thanks for the link. Interesting read.
Hey? everyone has to eat, right?


lol

This one caught my eye. The irony.

"Were it not for their subjugation by Europeans, Mexicans would perhaps have continued to practice the Aztec traditions of slavery..."
77 posted on 06/21/2006 5:39:31 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: TexKat

It was not possible to independently verify their accounts



But the AP, AFP, and Reuters can verify the one account of the sunni iraqi terrorist in regard to Haditha?


78 posted on 06/21/2006 5:42:14 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: TexKat
Good evening.

My daughter just dropped by to tell us that a Ukiah boy was killed in Iraq last night.

He was the first from our little town. Two of our guys have made it home in the last couple of weeks.

Luck to our war fighters

Michael Frazier
79 posted on 06/21/2006 5:55:22 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: taxed2death

Yuk yuk yuk ... have you ever read the accounts of Aztec human sacrifice and cannibalism? They ran an empire of blood


80 posted on 06/21/2006 5:55:44 PM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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