Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 18 June 2006

Various big media television networks ^ | 18 June 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, June 18th, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): White House press secretary Tony Snow; New Democrat Network President Simon Rosenberg; former Clinton chief of staff John Podesta.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.; Shell Oil Co. President John Hofmeister, ConocoPhillips Corp. Chairman James Mulva, Chevron Corp. Chairman David O'Reilly.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Snow; Sens. Joseph Biden, D-Del., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

THIS WEEK (ABC): L. Pre-empted for World Cup coverage.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Snow; Sens. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari.

[samantha]

#310, you guys are killing me today,having coughing fits from your one liners.....

[Phsstpok]

They fired several rounds point blank into to it using 5.56mm NATO ammo, and no deformation was found on the inner layer.

Unfortunately the jihadis use the slightly more robust 7.62 mm round in their AKs.

I think we've gone beyond the point where "up armoring" everything is necessarily a good idea.  I know folks who have been over (both Marines and Army) who wear the full up body armor as they leave on patrol then take off all but the "essential stuff" (deteremined by each guy) so that they have more freedom of movement.  I've also heard complaints that the up-armored HUMVEEs aren't maneuverable enough.  By the same token, if a troop wants to get some personal body armor or accept a modified helmet liner I would defer to their judgement.  They're on the line.

Me?  I'm holding out for the armored combat suits John Ringo (formerly of the 82nd) wrote about in his Aldenata books (starting with the free to download Gust Front and A Hymn Before Battle).  Man sets off a pocket nuke by hand to bring down a bad guy battleship and lives to tell about it!  Of course, he does have to regrow his arms and legs, but they've figured that out by then.  If you enjoy SF you'll probably enjoy the books.  His attitude is very much along our lines. He's also written several very good op-ed pieces for major newspapers which are available through his web site.

[La Enchiladita]

I am wondering if Soros is behind this insidious "World News Network" site...

http://www.pentagonnews.com/

[evad]

I thought so too, until I read more information on Murtha both here at FR and the links provided. Apparently, Murtha has been anti-war and anti-military for some time. He's also been involved in numerous questionable dealings in the past that were not well known until he started in on the Cut and Run tirade.

I agree totally. My post wasn't a denial of his rabid tendencies since his political career began. It was more of a WTF is with good people after they enter the political arena. And how does an ex marine go so bad??

Politics seems to corrupt absolutely and totally.

[rodguy911]

I am at a total loss about the entire MTP show today. It was a total rehash and basically a campaign commercial for murtha, very little new there. And with the oil execs Tim has to know that we need more drilling, more nuke power plants etc. etc, but was the emphasis on that, hardly! Nothing makes sense anymore. I really don't get any of it. I mean the entire show was way beyond just driving by.

[Candor7]

Yep , as Jefferson says, Hot Cash from Nigeria has to be converted to hard cold cash by putting it into the Freezer next to Bush Bane: Broccolli.

Jefferson is guilty of money laundering for Nigerian aristocrats who likely skim a percentage off their oil exports through third party straw men. They've been doing it for years, and Jefferson skims a percentage off for himself and the Democrta party.

Why hasn't Jefferson been indicted ?????

The RINOs are cutting a deal. But Tom DeLay won't be let off for his maliciously motivated,trumped up charge of money laundering. The Dems and the RINOs want DeLay "Neut" ralized for the presidential erection cycle in which an old guard pubbie moderate RINO is supposed to be erected, not elected to the knighthood of the party instead of a conservative like Tom Delay. Both the Dems and The RINOs are afraid of Tom DeLay, who SHOULD be the next president of the United States.

[Graymatter]

Democrats are unusually stupid lately (say, since the early '70's). Usually, even stupid people learn quicker.
They look at the polls and---big/IF the President's approval ratings are accurately reflecting reality, the Dems seem to think people are going to restore them to power in November.

Now, I am not always happy with the President's every move, but even if I were a great deal unhappier, it's one thing to disapprove of him and quite another to vote Democratic.

I had a choice in '04, and I wouldn't have traded GWB for the best Democrat in America. (That would be Zell Miller.) It'll be the same in '06 for most Americans who will have the opportunity to stick with a flawed Republican or switch to a clueless jackass Democrat. The message they'll send to the Dems will be, "He spends my money and steps on my toes, but I'm not going home with you."

[snugs]

[operation clinton cleanup]

One Senate Democrat, curious about Obama's charisma, took notes when watching him perform at a recent political event.

Who will be the first to play the "style over substance" card?

[Morgan in Denver]

FYI, if I remember right, this was also discussed in Blackhawk Down. The same thing was going on in Somalia, where each person was making the decision between armour protection and ease of movement. I don't remember a specific but would not be surprised if the same issue wasn't addressed in Vietnam as well. I do know numerous Vietnam vets used personal weapons when going into the field, not relying on Army issue alone.

[snugs]

[OldFriend]

Just heard a soundbite from Murtha. Said President Bush should learn like Reagan did in Lebanon and Clinton did in Somalia.

[samantha]

#316, I am torn on this. I feel bad for an old fool that is sick and being used,but he is not the stand up patriot he pretends to be, and his chickens will come home to roost soon enough. We are all realizing now that he is losing his mental ability pretty fast now,but the Dems that know it don't care as long as they can use him and the Public does not get it yet. As soon as the bloggers pick up on it,the Public will get it too and the dems will kick him under the Bus because he will just be that senile old goat that nobody will pay any attention to about anything. If I was snarky and cruel like the dems, I would have the Pubbies set him up and make him really look like bats are flying out of his belfry,but he is close to that already.

[MNJohnnie]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll288.xml


FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 288
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

H RES 861 YEA-AND-NAY 16-Jun-2006 11:17 AM
QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Resolution
BILL TITLE: Declaring that the United States will prevail in the Global War on Terror, the struggle to protect freedom from the terrorist adversary


Yeas Nays PRES NV
Republican 214 3 2 12
Democratic 42 149 3 7
Independent 1
TOTALS 256 153 5 19




---- YEAS 256 ---

Aderholt
Akin
Alexander
Baker
Barrett (SC)
Barrow
Bartlett (MD)
Barton (TX)
Bass
Bean
Beauprez
Berman
Berry
Biggert
Bilbray
Bilirakis
Bishop (GA)
Blackburn
Blunt
Boehlert
Boehner
Bonilla
Bonner
Bono
Boozman
Boren
Boswell
Boucher
Boustany
Bradley (NH)
Brady (TX)
Brown (SC)
Brown-Waite, Ginny
Burgess
Buyer
Calvert
Camp (MI)
Campbell (CA)
Cantor
Capito
Cardoza
Case
Castle
Chabot
Chandler
Chocola
Coble
Cole (OK)
Conaway
Cooper
Costa
Costello
Cramer
Crenshaw
Cubin
Cuellar
Culberson
Davis (KY)
Davis (TN)
Davis, Jo Ann
Davis, Tom
Deal (GA)
Dent
Diaz-Balart, L.
Diaz-Balart, M.
Doolittle
Drake
Dreier
Edwards
Ehlers
Emerson
English (PA)
Etheridge
Everett
Feeney
Ferguson
Fitzpatrick (PA)
Flake
Foley
Forbes
Fortenberry
Fossella
Foxx
Franks (AZ)
Frelinghuysen
Gallegly
Garrett (NJ)
Gerlach
Gibbons
Gilchrest
Gillmor
Gingrey
Gohmert
Goode
Goodlatte
Gordon
Granger
Graves
Green (WI)
Green, Gene
Gutknecht
Hall
Harris
Hart
Hastert
Hastings (WA)
Hayes
Hayworth
Hefley
Hensarling
Herger
Herseth
Higgins
Hobson
Hoekstra
Holden
Hostettler
Hulshof
Hunter
Hyde
Inglis (SC)
Issa
Istook
Jenkins
Jindal
Johnson (CT)
Johnson (IL)
Keller
Kelly
Kennedy (MN)
Kind
King (IA)
King (NY)
Kingston
Kirk
Kline
Knollenberg
Kolbe
Kuhl (NY)
LaHood
Larsen (WA)
Latham
LaTourette
Lewis (KY)
Linder
Lipinski
LoBiondo
Lucas
Lungren, Daniel E.
Lynch
Mack
Manzullo
Marchant
Marshall
Matheson
McCarthy
McCaul (TX)
McCrery
McHenry
McHugh
McIntyre
McKeon
McMorris
Melancon
Mica
Miller (FL)
Miller (MI)
Miller, Gary
Moore (KS)
Moran (KS)
Murphy
Musgrave
Myrick
Neugebauer
Ney
Northup
Norwood
Nunes
Osborne
Otter
Oxley
Pearce
Pence
Peterson (MN)
Peterson (PA)
Petri
Pickering
Pitts
Platts
Poe
Pombo
Porter
Price (GA)
Pryce (OH)
Putnam
Radanovich
Ramstad
Regula
Rehberg
Renzi
Reynolds
Rogers (AL)
Rogers (KY)
Rogers (MI)
Rohrabacher
Ros-Lehtinen
Ross
Royce
Ryan (WI)
Ryun (KS)
Salazar
Saxton
Schmidt
Schwarz (MI)
Shadegg
Shaw
Shays
Sherwood
Shimkus
Shuster
Simmons
Simpson
Smith (NJ)
Smith (TX)
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Sodrel
Souder
Spratt
Stearns
Sullivan
Sweeney
Tancredo
Taylor (MS)
Taylor (NC)
Terry
Thomas
Thompson (MS)
Thornberry
Tiahrt
Tiberi
Turner
Upton
Walden (OR)
Walsh
Wamp
Weldon (FL)
Weldon (PA)
Weller
Westmoreland
Whitfield
Wicker
Wilson (SC)
Wolf
Young (AK)
Young (FL)



---- NAYS 153 ---

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Becerra
Berkley
Blumenauer
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carnahan
Carson
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Dicks
Doggett
Doyle
Duncan
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Gonzalez
Green, Al
Grijalva
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Holt
Honda
Hooley
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kanjorski
Kaptur
Kennedy (RI)
Kildee
Kucinich
Langevin
Lantos
Larson (CT)
Leach
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren, Zoe
Lowey
Maloney
Markey
Matsui
McCollum (MN)
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
McNulty
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Michaud
Millender-McDonald
Miller, George
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Murtha
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA)
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Ortiz
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Paul
Payne
Pelosi
Pomeroy
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sabo
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schwartz (PA)
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Skelton
Slaughter
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Tanner
Tauscher
Thompson (CA)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Visclosky
Wasserman Schultz
Waters
Watson
Watt
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn



---- ANSWERED “PRESENT” 5 ---

Boyd
Jones (NC)
McCotter
Miller (NC)
Sherman



---- NOT VOTING 19 ---

Bachus
Bishop (NY)
Bishop (UT)
Burton (IN)
Cannon
Carter
Cleaver
Dingell
Evans
Gutierrez
Johnson, Sam
Kilpatrick (MI)
Lewis (CA)
Nussle
Reichert
Sensenbrenner
Sessions
Waxman
Wilson (NM)

******Snip

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Text of Resolution.

[rodguy911]

The dems rule by polls and focus groups, which proves again they have no character or standards.

You are hot today!(and soooo smooth!)

[snugs]

[MNJohnnie]

Does present mean abstaining?

There are 4 categories, Yea, Nay, Present and Not Voting. Not really sure what the difference is.

[Candor7]

Just heard a soundbite from Murtha. Said President Bush should learn like Reagan did in Lebanon and Clinton did in Somalia.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What a monumental fool, Murtha expects to build our nations security on the weaknesses of defeatism.

Is there a law of treason on the books that has any HOOKS in it??

[Morgan in Denver]

I didn't take it wrong, I was agreeing with you.

We have to keep in mind that not every veteran is a conservative Republican. Nor, to a man, does everyone in Iraq support President Bush. The majority, yes, but not all.

Murtha is a disgrace and it strikes that cord with most ex-military service men and women.

[samantha]

#319, excellent analysis,profundities abound in that post.